Difference between on site and parking

Ralph-y

well done ....:j


now may I kindly ask if you would consider supporting this forum campaign ...

Call for Action - submit evidence of private parking rip-offs Which? Magazine now! WHICH are asking again for consumer problems

https://whichcouk.bsd.net/page/s/which-taking-on-2018

Which are pretty good at hitting the government with
consumer problems.
No harm in them hearing from you, I have done it for
the great parking scam and their dodgly solicitors

Only takes a couple of mins



Ralph:cool:

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Ralph-y wrote: »

well done ....:j


now may I kindly ask if you would consider supporting this forum campaign ...

Call for Action - submit evidence of private parking rip-offs Which? Magazine now! WHICH are asking again for consumer problems

https://whichcouk.bsd.net/page/s/which-taking-on-2018

Which are pretty good at hitting the government with
consumer problems.
No harm in them hearing from you, I have done it for
the great parking scam and their dodgly solicitors

Only takes a couple of mins



Ralph:cool:

Done, and a good idea.

[Deleted User]

Coupon-mad wrote: »

Emails:

ParkingEye:

info@parkingeye.co.uk

BPA - please ask Steve Clark to specifically explain what happened to the decided and agreed change of the BPA Grace Period on leaving a car park, to 11 minutes, which was in the public domain in 2015 in the minutes of a Governance meeting of the Professional Development & Standards Board (see second link):

steve.c@britishparking.co.uk

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/73176025#Comment_73176025

DVLA - copy in:

david.dunford@dvla.gsi.gov.uk

HTH

Also done, thanks.

[Deleted User]

Well, I complained to BPA and this is the response I got about the grace period before parking.

13.2 Grace Period

13.2 You should allow the driver a reasonable;grace period; in which to decide if they are going to stay or go. If the driver is on your land without permission you should still allow them a grace period to read your signs and leave before you take enforcement action.

We do not define the ;reasonable time; given at entering as this will vary dependent on the size, layout and design of the parking area and subsequently this will vary from site to site.;

The Entry Grace Period is not a free period of parking ; if you choose to stay within the site this forms part of the time that you are required to pay for."

So BPA are saying if you spend 15 minutes looking/waiting for a space this comes out of the allowed parking time.

System

So BPA are saying if you spend 15 minutes looking/waiting for a space this comes out of the allowed parking time.

Grace period is not parking time either - it is the time it takes for you to read the terms, and agree to them. It could be seconds if VCS at JLA are to believed or 25 minutes e.g. Fistral beach.

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IamEmanresu wrote: »

Grace period is not parking time either - it is the time it takes for you to read the terms, and agree to them. It could be seconds if VCS at JLA are to believed or 25 minutes e.g. Fistral beach.

Grace period before parking IS parking time according to BPA

Coupon-mad

We know, but they would say that, wouldn't they? Whose side are they on/being paid by?!!

Driving round clearly NOT parking, there is case law that says the contract starts when the money goes into the machine (Thornton v Shoe Lane, Court of Appeal) and a Judge has found in County court (NOT a precedent) that driving round looking for a space is NOT 'parking':

http://nebula.wsimg.com/c289944f81b4afb375a97d05d5a80df6?AccessKeyId=4CB8F2392A09CF228A46&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

If that link doesn't work, it comes from the Parking Prankster, here (PE v Mrs X):

http://www.parking-prankster.com/case-law.html

And in 2016, Senior Circuit Judge HHJ Charges Harris QC, went to the trouble of defining 'parking' in Jopson v HomeGuard which is the bottom one in that Case Law link from the Prankster. Read HHJ Harris' words in the transcript there about parking/not parking.

Lord Neuberger (Supreme Court) also defined parking in his comments in Moncrieff:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/71877568#Comment_71877568

In Moncrieff and Another v Jamieson and ors: HL 17 Oct 2007, see paragraph 123 where Lord Neuberger held that to 'park vehicles' was 'to station them on a longer term basis' as opposed to 'the coming and going of motor vehicles along the way...[including]...the right to turn round such vehicles, and to station such vehicles for the purpose of loading and unloading...'

Persuasive opinion as he is one of the UK's top Judges.

[Deleted User]

Replied with all the relevant information given, thank you.

This whole thing shows the deficiency of using ANPR as against ticketing.

nosferatu1001

Good job it isnt according to actual courts
Waiting to park, isnt parking

This latest CoP is becuase they got sore at losing at POPLA, despite them clearly ordering POPLA to misread grace periods.