Childcare is bloody expensive!

Red-Squirrel_2

svain wrote: »

If they do, then for "most" it's to provide a better life for their family

And themselves!

svain

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

And themselves!

Yaawn ... You obviously surround yourself by a very different type of bloke than I do

ViolaLass

svain wrote: »

If they do, then for "most" it's to provide a better life for their family

Ah, it's another awkward declension.

I choose to work
You are selfish
He is altruistic.

Red-Squirrel_2

svain wrote: »

Yaawn ... You obviously surround yourself by a very different type of bloke than I do

Most of the blokes I know are pretty decent, the dads are good, caring, and they respect their partners and the mothers of their kids as equals.

Are you hanging round with blokes who make you tired during the day?

svain

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

Most of the blokes I know are pretty decent, the dads are good, caring, and they respect their partners and the mothers of their kids as equals.

So why the chip on your shoulder??

Red-Squirrel_2

svain wrote: »

So why the chip on your shoulder??

I don't think you know what that means.

FrugalAndFabulous

There was a survey were they found that working mums spend more quality time with their kids. Stay at home mums were busy with the chores, shopping etc. (just mentioning one study not saying it's necessarily true for all. Again, I don't think the actual time matters but how it's spend. I see my kids for two hours in the morning, 4 hours at night and all weekend, we eat together apart form lunch, we read, play outside etc. In between the socialise with their friends in nursery, craft, learn songs, go out. How many stay at home mum's spend 8 hours crafting, singing and playing with their kids? I couldn't, I need adult interaction to stay sane. Sorry not everybody is a born supermum. For some a balance of time with/without their kids is needed actually for the benefit of their kids.

I see your point but surely working mothers/parents still need to do chores/shopping etc?

svain

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

I don't think you know what that means.

Oh dear ... truth hurts, doesnt it. Its ok though, feel free to have a think about it.

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

This thread is so sexist, I might save it for when people say "Oh but women have equality now".

..... and ironically you obviously have no idea what "sexist" means .... but i was hoping to spare you that embarrassment

piano_tuna_2

thriftylass wrote: »

In I grew up in eastern Germany where most families had two parents working. You can hardly say their priorities were shiny cars holidays and fancy houses as they didn't exist.

I think the system needs to change. For instance in Germany you get 3 years maternity leave (mainly unpaid) but without loosing your job.

Yup, and by about 1989, when it all came tumbling down, the state was virtually bankrupt.

People need to face reality: if you want to 1) have children and 2) leave your child/ren with a babysitter in order to go out to do things that are more important to you, you're going to need to PAY that babysitter. Why should they do it for free?

piano_tuna_2

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

This thread is so sexist, I might save it for when people say "Oh but women have equality now".

Ah, but does being equal mean being exactly the same?