Indigo Cardiff Nurses Case: Permission to Appeal Refused

Cygnus_Alpha

Coupon-mad wrote: »

The nurses did nothing to deserve those costs.

Everyone read the judgments? Can you all see what it is yet? Don't assume you know.

In my view the lay representatives were over confident and did not adapt their arguments to the case in hand. As a lay person myself i always find the legal bluster of threat and counter threat to be somewhat peculiar but it seems that in this case one of the representatives went beyond what is considered civil.

This was always going to be a tricky one to argue given that the defendants had actually entered into a contract when they applied for the permits.

Hopefully lessons can be learnt from this from those involved.

I did make a donation to the appeal but if no appeal is to be made I am happy for this money to go towards helping with these costs.

Finally I still reserve a modicum of contempt for Carwyn Jones who misled the assembly and the public. I made this not as a partisan party political point - I have actually voted for his party in the past - but because he has betrayed several hundreds of NHS workers.

Umkomaas

Finally I still reserve a modicum of contempt for Carwyn Jones who misled the assembly and the public. I made this not as a partisan party political point - I have actually voted for his party in the past - but because he has betrayed several hundreds of NHS workers.

Welsh Labour, the party for workers in Wales. Evidently not!

Fruitcake

With regard to the NHS and other staff clobbered for costs, is it possible that they may have to declare themselves bankrupt as a result, which would be counter productive for the PPC if they ended up getting no money as a result?

There was something on one of the breakfast shows on Monday about a lady who did something that was similar to bankruptcy, but sort of one step short of it. I can't remember what it was called but again it was a way of declaring they were not able to make payments, but were still able to retain up to 5% of their assets.

I have no idea if any of this is possible, or will help. I'm just trying to think how someone in that horrible position can be lawfully helped without the scammers benefitting.

Marktheshark

The angle that the contract breaches EU consumer contract law is still open.

Coupon-mad

Cygnus_Alpha wrote: »

In my view the lay representatives were over confident and did not adapt their arguments to the case in hand. As a lay person myself i always find the legal bluster of threat and counter threat to be somewhat peculiar but it seems that in this case one of the representatives went beyond what is considered civil.

If you like.

Redx

Fruitcake wrote: »

With regard to the NHS and other staff clobbered for costs, is it possible that they may have to declare themselves bankrupt as a result, which would be counter productive for the PPC if they ended up getting no money as a result?

There was something on one of the breakfast shows on Monday about a lady who did something that was similar to bankruptcy, but sort of one step short of it. I can't remember what it was called but again it was a way of declaring they were not able to make payments, but were still able to retain up to 5% of their assets.

I have no idea if any of this is possible, or will help. I'm just trying to think how someone in that horrible position can be lawfully helped without the scammers benefitting.

I think that girl in the Scotland one did the same , lol

plus its a shame the staff dont all resign en masse in protest

bargepole

Marktheshark wrote: »

The angle that the contract breaches EU consumer contract law is still open.

No it isn't. Have you read the Beavis judgment?

softwaremad

Barrister not yet been in touch. Have tried making contact with chap who was organising it. As yet no calls returned.

Appeal was filed pre barrister as no judgement as present to issue for advice.

A mess for sure

bargepole

Here is the link to the Circuit Judge's refusal to grant leave to appeal: https://1drv.ms/b/s!AhdXZ_haugJXgag0LdcJ_S69-Nslsg

He's pretty much saying, why did you even bother defending this case.

henrik777

Fruitcake wrote: »

With regard to the NHS and other staff clobbered for costs, is it possible that they may have to declare themselves bankrupt as a result, which would be counter productive for the PPC if they ended up getting no money as a result?

There was something on one of the breakfast shows on Monday about a lady who did something that was similar to bankruptcy, but sort of one step short of it. I can't remember what it was called but again it was a way of declaring they were not able to make payments, but were still able to retain up to 5% of their assets.

I have no idea if any of this is possible, or will help. I'm just trying to think how someone in that horrible position can be lawfully helped without the scammers benefitting.

£350 costs which appear to be in line for a reduction and you think bankruptcy is an option ?