Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

vivatifosi

gfplux wrote: »

Good point although you should ask why Brits do not eat British Chedder now.
I ask because I have no idea why.
Is it price, packaging, or marketing.
When in the Supermarket why choose Irish.

I think it is probably because they go into a supermarket and buy cheddar without looking at where it is manufactured.

Most branded cheddar is British though, both Cathedral City and Pilgrims Choice, which are the no1 and 2 brands, are made in England. Seriously Strong cheddar is from Scotland. Cathedral City is comfortably the best selling cheese brand in the UK, ahead of everything else from Dairylea to BabyBel.

Still, the second most popular cheese type in the UK apparently is mozzarella, bizarrely most of that is produced here too, as are versions of Brie and Camembert.

http://www.cheeseboard.co.uk/facts/top_cheese_facts-2

Graham_Devon

We have always imported food and always will.

The rations in WW2 were mainly down to lack of imports as ships were being sunk.

I really don't get why people are so adamant that suddenly this will all stop and literally everyone will suffer, from the UK citizen, to producers in different countries, to countries themselves (through unemployment).

It will be worked out - because it always has been worked out. It was worked out 100 years ago, it was worked out 200 years ago, and it will be worked out again.

The only danger here is the EU and our government. If the EU force- ably stop us importing through trade deals (or our own government makes it impossible) which are so painful it's not worth importing:

A) we will likely import from elsewhere - nothing wrong with America.
There is nothing wrong with our own produce and that would also bring jobs and growth to the UK
C) The EU will implode on itself as citizens find they are laid off and companies go bust....with the sole finger being pointed at the EU. We won't suffer anywhere near as much as those in other countries will with a key customer being cut off. Do you really think the French are going to sit back and watch a key customer being cut off from using EDF with all the redundancies and risk to a massive national company it would bring? Really? They would turn on the EU within a matter of hours. Merkel will happily let Arriva stop business in the UK and risk their own DB transport system?

There could be a difficult few months if the EU / Our government are adamant on creating difficulties. But that will be a very good reason for getting out of that sort of nonsense.

Graham_Devon

And one other thing while I'm on a rant....

It's a lot easier for us to replace any lost services or produce than it is for any EU country to replace the loss of income by either not trading, or trading on punishment terms.

We have the capbility to replace Arriva. We have the capability to replace EDF. We have the capability to import food stuffs from other countries.

The EU does not have the capability of replacing their losses from withdrawing trade with us.

Sure, all of the above will take some time and we'd likely suffer if we exited under the worse terms ever. But at least in the UK can replace over time. The EU can never replace the loss of withdrawing services from the UK.

As these services mostly benefit Germany and France, it simply won't happen.

LHW99

I!!!8217;d never heard of technetium until recently but it!!!8217;s apparently a radioactive element that has a shelf life of a week and is essential for some medical scans. We do not currently have the ability to produce it in the UK so import it from the EU.

"The metal is produced in tonne quantities from the fission products of uranium nuclear fuel. It is obtained as a grey powder."
Royal Society of Chemistry:
http://www.rsc.org/periodic-table/element/43/technetium
So once the new EDF reactor is running, we could produce it if required - not sure why it couldn't be produced from existing reactors either, if necessary.

Graham_Devon

The NHS in England is to get an extra £20bn a year by 2023 as a 70th "birthday present", Theresa May says.

It means the £114bn budget will rise by an average of 3.4% annually - but that is still less than the 3.7% average rise the NHS has had since 1948.

The prime minister said this would be funded partly by a "Brexit dividend", but also hinted at tax rises.

Good stuff, on both the Brexit dividend (that dividend that would never happen, I remind you) and the increase in taxation. Might make people wake up a little as to how little they actually paid in for what they get.

buglawton

Graham_Devon wrote: »

We have always imported food and always will.

The rations in WW2 were mainly down to lack of imports as ships were being sunk...

Yes as I've commented here before, according to the Project Fearmongers the UK will face food shortages 'within two weeks' of a hard Brexit:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-food-medicine-shortage-doomsday-armageddon-david-davis-a8381076.html
Something WW2/Hitler didn't make happen quite that quickly...

Ballard

LHW99 wrote: »

"The metal is produced in tonne quantities from the fission products of uranium nuclear fuel. It is obtained as a grey powder."
Royal Society of Chemistry:
http://www.rsc.org/periodic-table/element/43/technetium
So once the new EDF reactor is running, we could produce it if required - not sure why it couldn't be produced from existing reactors either, if necessary.

You’re saying this in your capacity as an expert or someone who’s googled it and put two and two together?

Ballard

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Good stuff, on both the Brexit dividend (that dividend that would never happen, I remind you) and the increase in taxation. Might make people wake up a little as to how little they actually paid in for what they get.

I realise that you brexiteers arent keen on experts but the governments own research has said that we will be worse off in the short to medium term at least. How that equates to a brexit dividend I’m not sure.

It is good news though. I can afford to pay more taxes so bring it on.

Thrugelmir

Ballard wrote: »

I realise that you brexiteers arent keen on experts but the governments own research has said that we will be worse off in the short to medium term at least. How that equates to a brexit dividend I’m not sure.

Best to avoid that topic. The vote alone was forecast to bring armageddon. Beats me why people simply don't get on with their individual lives. As it's actions that produce outcomes not words.

Ballard

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Best to avoid that topic. The vote alone was forecast to bring armageddon. Beats me why people simply don't get on with their individual lives. As it's actions that produce outcomes not words.

No one with the ability to use their brain cells is saying that this extra money for the NHS is coming from our leaving the EU but the PM says something that brexiteers want to hear and they lap it up.