Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

buglawton

gfplux wrote: »

Are you forgetting one of the benefits touted by Brexiters.
After Brexit Britain will be able to reduce VAT thereby reducing the tax take from Amazon.

VAT is charged to the goods seller not to Amazon.
What little tax the UK gets from Amazon is on it's creatively designed UK profits.
Post-Brexit there will be the opportunity to design a modern tax for the online age that will raise a fairer contribution from Amazon and the like. But not on this muddled governments watch, of course.

Rinoa

Here we go… Boris has told a dinner of Conservative Way Forward donors that Brexit is in danger of being sold out and that the government may not manage to get a deal palatable to Leave voters. In his strongest warning about the direction on Brexit yet, the Foreign Secretary said he fears that we could still end up effectively in a customs union with the EU and closely aligned to their rules and regulations. He blasted Philip Hammond and the Treasury as Remoaners who are not making the best of Brexit. He again demanded Number 10 abandon their failed hybrid model and overwhelmingly back Max Fac. Every Brexiter will agree with every word of this. At last a Cabinet minister stands up for Brexit…

https://order-order.com/2018/06/07/boris-warns-brexit-is-in-danger-of-being-sold-out/#disqus_thread

Tromking

Rinoa wrote: »

https://order-order.com/2018/06/07/boris-warns-brexit-is-in-danger-of-being-sold-out/#disqus_thread

A welcome and much needed intervention from Boris. I sense that TM’s timid Brexit approach is slowly becoming untenable. If Boris has a talent it’s his ability to tap into the public mood outside the Westminster bubble, I noticed with the DD shenanigans earlier in the week a growing anger amongst leavers at the weak !!! approach of this Government.
This can’t go on forever.

buglawton

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/06/06/weep-brexit-british-dash-independence-has-failed/
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Basically, the Brexit project has as good as failed already as Brussels gleefully takes advantage of a weak British government. A well written piece in yesterdays Telegraph.

Filo25

Rinoa wrote: »

https://order-order.com/2018/06/07/boris-warns-brexit-is-in-danger-of-being-sold-out/#disqus_thread

What is the Boris solution then?

Or is he more interested in sniping from the sidelines and making out that it would all have been fine if only he had been in charge, when he makes his next push for the top job.

If his answer is a cliff-edge hard Brexit, then it might make good politics for him to appeal to the Tory members and the more gullible, but its a huge act of economic self-harm and anyone who has done any serious work on it knows it.

Johnson and the Labour front bench are much the same on this particular issue, promising unicorns and a fantastic outcome if only they were in charge, with no real credible proposals that would be agreeable to the EU.

It's still the same nonsense we had during the referendum from the Leave Campaign (and there was plenty of nonsense from the remain campaign as well), that we can have all the benefits of the EU without any of the obligations.

buglawton

What serious work did you do on it Filo?

kabayiri

People laugh at Trump, but he would get us a better deal than any of this shower of sh*t on both sides of the honourable House.

The negotiations with the EU were never going to be nice. You need to identify the weakest links in the EU, and go aggressively against those.

Filo25

buglawton wrote: »

What serious work did you do on it Filo?

I'm not afraid of listening to experts on the matter, although that is a word that seemed to get a bit of a bad name with the Leave campaign, far better to just go with gut feeling and a sense of the inherent rightness of the cause.

You will find plenty of less ideological leavers who will say that WTO terms are a disaster as well

Filo25

kabayiri wrote: »

People laugh at Trump, but he would get us a better deal than any of this shower of sh*t on both sides of the honourable House.

The negotiations with the EU were never going to be nice. You need to identify the weakest links in the EU, and go aggressively against those.

Fortunately for Trump he leads what is still the most powerful country of the world, while the UK is still a wealthy developed country let's not make out we would get the same results trying to throw our weight around with a larger trading partner (not that Trump has really achieved many notable results yet by trying to throw the US's weight around).

Even if the UK did want to play hardball, and even if it was a credible threat (something many aren't convinced of), the parliamentary mathematics and divided nature of the country make it an idle threat, as there aren't the votes to get it through parliament and there isn't the support in the country if the economy gets hit significantly.

A lot of people seem to take a 52:48 referendum result to take it that the country has a majority wanting to see the hardest of Brexits irrespective of economic cost, I think they are very mistaken on that.

The problem is I'm not sure there is any realistic outcome that is likely to enjoy majority support in the country.

ukcarper

Filo25 wrote: »

Fortunately for Trump he leads what is still the most powerful country of the world, while the UK is still a wealthy developed country let's not make out we would get the same results trying to throw our weight around with a larger trading partner (not that Trump has really achieved many notable results yet by trying to throw the US's weight around).

Even if the UK did want to play hardball, and even if it was a credible threat (something many aren't convinced of), the parliamentary mathematics and divided nature of the country make it an idle threat, as there aren't the votes to get it through parliament and there isn't the support in the country if the economy gets hit significantly.

A lot of people seem to take a 52:48 referendum result to take it that the country has a majority wanting to see the hardest of Brexits irrespective of economic cost, I think they are very mistaken on that.

The problem is I'm not sure there is any realistic outcome that is likely to enjoy majority support in the country.

I think it is a mess and it's easy to blame Boris and the Government, but if all MPs who want to remain stopped paying lip service to result of referendum, stopped trying to make us leave in name only and put the country ahead of the party we would have a better chance of getting a acceptable deal.