Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Rinoa

Didn't work did it Jeremy.

mayonnaise

Pauciloquent_1 wrote: »

You incorrectly don't see staying in an EU customs union as staying in the EU then

Pauciloquent_1 wrote: »

If you did that you would find that Turkey has to follow many EU rules as part of their Customs Union

First I'm incorrect by not seeing staying in a customs union as staying in the EU.
Then you bring up Turkey which is in a EU customs union and not part of the EU.
:doh:

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

vivatifosi wrote: »

ETA...Sky saying based on overnight results, if reflected in a GM not just a hung parliament but an unholy mess. They forecast Conservatives would be biggest party with 305 seats, however even with the DUP MPs that would not bring enough MPs to give a majority. Which brings the Lib Dems back in to play.

Given that the Lib Dems are the party with the most opposing views on Brexit and its leader has already had his fingers burned by tuition fees, I doubt they will be in the mood to compromise on Brexit.

That should focus the minds of Tory rebels.

In the GE Labour were the big winners, costing May her majority, now in the locals it's the Lib Dems seeing a resurgence.

Even with the collapse of UKIP hugely benefitting and propping up the Tories in some parts of the country, (at one point Conservatives were up 50 odd seats last night wile UKIP was down 57 as the early 'middle England' seats returned first), we've ended up with the Tories down overall and the Lib Dems being the big gainers once the larger metropolitan areas returned.

There is clearly a significant 'Brexit backlash' going on in parts of the country.

A GE now would indeed be an "unholy mess" - here's hoping the Brextremists get the message and start to actually compromise - as they clearly don't have the support to continue on their current path.

Out,_Vile_Jelly

Can we assume that votes for local councillors are along the same lines as the EU referendum? I voted Leave; but Green and Lib Dem yesterday (for various reasons), but would be unlikely to do so in a general election.

wunferall

It's early morning where I am now but I've just been looking over the election results & I have to say, given where we (the UK) is with Brexit etc. it must come as a huge disappointment to Labour that they haven't done much better than they did.

In fact if you really want to try & relate the results to Brexit (not really the best of ideas, but still) the LibDems as the only pro-remain party have certainly not made the kind of gains that the remain camp with their "change-of-heart in Brexiters" seems to suggest. So from a Brexit POV it looks to me like not much has changed.

As for the future of politics in the UK, it looks like unless something changes we are heading towards a future of division and coalitions, as is so frequently seen in mainland Europe. Whether that is a good thing or a bad thing only time will tell.

What is certain though is that there has been no major upset, suggesting that generally speaking there is no huge dissatisfaction with the current state of affairs. Either that or that there was no real alternative.


I look forward to participating again when I return later next week, although I hear you too are in for summery weather.

Thrugelmir

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

Can we assume that votes for local councillors are along the same lines as the EU referendum?

Local issues do have an influence on my voting intentions. Poor management shouldn't be allowed to remain.

mayonnaise

wunferall wrote: »

In fact if you really want to try & relate the results to Brexit (not really the best of ideas, but still)

Definitely not the best of ideas.
As a bitter terrified elitist remoaning remainiac, I had the choice between:

- a candidate from a party utterly divided on Brexit (Labour)
- a candidate from another party utterly divided on Brexit (Tories)
- a candidate with no views of Brexit (Independent)
- the Black Death candidate (UKIP)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44002060

Thrugelmir

mayonnaise wrote: »

Definitely not the best of ideas.
As a bitter terrified elitist remoaning remainiac, I had the choice between:

- a candidate from a party utterly divided on Brexit (Labour)
- a candidate from another party utterly divided on Brexit (Tories)
- a candidate with no views of Brexit (Independent)
- the Black Death candidate (UKIP)

No Liberal or Independent?

Ballard

wunferall wrote: »

It's early morning where I am now but I've just been looking over the election results & I have to say, given where we (the UK) is with Brexit etc. it must come as a huge disappointment to Labour that they haven't done much better than they did.

In fact if you really want to try & relate the results to Brexit (not really the best of ideas, but still) the LibDems as the only pro-remain party have certainly not made the kind of gains that the remain camp with their "change-of-heart in Brexiters" seems to suggest. So from a Brexit POV it looks to me like not much has changed.

As for the future of politics in the UK, it looks like unless something changes we are heading towards a future of division and coalitions, as is so frequently seen in mainland Europe. Whether that is a good thing or a bad thing only time will tell.

What is certain though is that there has been no major upset, suggesting that generally speaking there is no huge dissatisfaction with the current state of affairs. Either that or that there was no real alternative.


I look forward to participating again when I return later next week, although I hear you too are in for summery weather.

It is utterly pointless to look to failure by the Lib Dem’s as a sign that people are less unhappy about brexit. The Lib Dem’s are not exactly a force to be reckoned with and few people take them seriously. It’s like arguing that the anhilation of UKIP means that no one wants brexit any more. Neither statement has any basis in fact.

My ward had a candidate standing against th closure f my local a&e a couple of elections ago and scored a few hundred votes. This doesn’t mean that everyone wanted the department to close.

Graham_Devon

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

Can we assume that votes for local councillors are along the same lines as the EU referendum? I voted Leave; but Green and Lib Dem yesterday (for various reasons), but would be unlikely to do so in a general election.

No, which is clearly a problem when people from all angles are trying to back up their own theories.

The problem with this, is that you can back up every theory going on brexit with these council results.

It clearly wasnt though, a vote on brexit. Many seem to be trying to make out it is, in order to suggest, by default, we should have another referendum. But they may be surprised by the result (again).

You can bet your bottom dollar that if brexit was cancelled, UKIP would be ruling the roost within months. However, the brexit vote is now done, what's the point in voting for them?