Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Pauciloquent_1_2

mayonnaise wrote: »

Please be nice to fellow posters. Thanks

You might not like my response but there was nothing not "nice" about it.
Feel free to report posts which you think fall foul of guidelines; I'm sure the Forum Team will act appropriately.
Just as they no doubt would for those discussing banned contributors since they say that certainly is not allowed.

mayonnaise wrote: »

There was a majority to trigger Art.50
We're not discussing any change of mind on Art.50 here.
Please keep up.

Yes, to leave the EU.
It certainly is changing of minds from Article 50 to staying in the EU customs union if that gives the EU any say in the UK's laws.
You incorrectly don't see staying in an EU customs union as staying in the EU then; so I am keeping up but you are not it seems.
May and even very recently the Labour MP Frank Field has reaffirmed just that very point.
:doh: Indeed.

Pauciloquent_1_2

gfplux wrote: »

I suspect the feeling is mutual. The EU has enough to do without excepting Britain back inside the tent.

:T
Please advise your fellow remainers including mayonnaise of this fact because I have been trying to tell them this to no effect.



(It is "accepting" BTW, not "excepting.)

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

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What the people wanted on 23rd June 2016 is irrelevant if they want something else now. That's kinda the whole point of democracy.

As to whether enough people will vote to rejoin, well it depends on how badly we leave, and how many people are disillusioned by how the UK government has handled it. It might still be the better option to re-join, if leaving is bad enough.
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Can you tell me the rejoin terms?

I asked this before. I know Hamish thinks that the Euro is a willing price to pay for membership, but I don't think this view is shared by most politicians.

So what about a common defence force, or having to accept a significant chunk of the refugee/migrants that Germany has asked for help with amongst other EU states?

In short, why should my concerns for the EU project have diminished? What has improved which should change my mind?

gfplux

Pauciloquent_1 wrote: »

:T
Please advise your fellow remainers including mayonnaise of this fact because I have been trying to tell them this to no effect.



(It is "accepting" BTW, not "excepting.)

Why would I do that. If you are having no effect perhaps you need to re read your posts.

Thank you for the grammar lesson. You never know when you will stumble into a grammar - - - -

Herzlos

Pauciloquent_1 wrote: »

Yes, to leave the EU.
It certainly is changing of minds from Article 50 to staying in the EU customs union if that gives the EU any say in the UK's laws.
You incorrectly don't see staying in an EU customs union as staying in the EU then; so I am keeping up but you are not it seems.

Turkey is in the customs union. Is it in the EU?

Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

Can you tell me the rejoin terms?

It'd most likely be to take any obligations of a new member with none of our opt outs. Euro, Shengen, no rebate, share of refugees*, involvement in defence force.

It's crap compared to what we threw away, but could be wonderful compared to what we end up with.

*Our commitment to refugees was pitiful and I don't think we achieved anywhere close.

Pauciloquent_1_2

Herzlos wrote: »

Turkey is in the customs union. Is it in the EU?

Putting it politely so as not to upset our would-be unofficial moderator mayonnaise, if you have the technical ability to use these forums you can surely use a search engine.
If you did that you would find that Turkey has to follow many EU rules as part of their Customs Union, meaning that while they aren't a full member they must align their entire trade policy to that of the EU.
Read the following for your enlightenment.
https://infacts.org/briefings/turkish-option/
Note especially:

It is only possible to understand such a bizarre arrangement when you realise that the Turkish customs union was intended as a stepping stone to full EU membership.

Now, I was going to ignore what I will post next but since it's looking like you insist upon incorrectly contradicting every post I make here we go:

Herzlos wrote: »

If you regard Italy as severely in debt and struggling, how do you feel about UK debt?

Where to start?
Well first it's not me regarding Italy as severely in debt, is it?
I'm only pointing out what others far more astute than me are saying, including (in this instance) Deutsche Bank, Politico and respected USA political publication The Hill.

Second, well the previous poster even posted a handy link which - had you but taken the time to look - would have shown you why such opinions (not necessarily mine, as I said before) exist.
Italy debt to GDP = 138%.
For the sake of comparison, Portugal = 134%.
Greece = 195%.
Belgium = 109%.
France = 99%.
How I personally feel about UK debt is irrelevant but with the UK's at 85% (and falling) and even Germany's at 65%, why would I be more concerned about the UK than about the other few examples I have given?

Herzlos

Right. So do you regard Turkey as in the EU or out of the EU?

buglawton

Herzlos wrote: »

Right. So do you regard Turkey as in the EU or out of the EU?

Which part of Pauciloquent's post:
"....Turkey has to follow many EU rules as part of their Customs Union, meaning that while they aren't a full member they must align their entire trade policy to that of the EU" was unclear?
Tellingly, the 'Turkish Solution' prevents Turkey from negotiating independant trade deals. But it does show that the EU is capable of inventing fine fudges when a real opportunity (crisis?) appears.

Pauciloquent_1_2

buglawton wrote: »

Which part of Pauciloquent's post:
"....Turkey has to follow many EU rules as part of their Customs Union, meaning that while they aren't a full member they must align their entire trade policy to that of the EU" was unclear?
Tellingly, the 'Turkish Solution' prevents Turkey from negotiating independant trade deals. But it does show that the EU is capable of inventing fine fudges when a real opportunity (crisis?) appears.

:T
Thank you.
I was beginning to wonder if it was just me but you have reassured me that it is not.
Methinks that at least one horse would rather succumb to dehydration even though clean fresh water is there, freely available and in easy reach.



I have also pointed out that the EU do like to "fudge" - yet say they won't where Brexit is concerned.
Of course the reason for this is obvious.
They are poop-scared that the UK will be hugely successful post-Brexit, thus showing the EU to be the hindrance which many have long said they are.