Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

mayonnaise

ilovehouses wrote: »

Higher contributions from members and reduced spending in other areas.

Dutch PM Mark Rutte said as much yesterday.
"A smaller Union means a smaller budget"
In the end, a compromise will be found and life will go on in the dynamic and prosperous EU.

mayonnaise

Rinoa wrote: »

'Customs Partnership' dead.

https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/theresa-mays-plans-for-post-brexit-customs-partnership-killed-by-ministers/

Well, that didn't last long.

Our Brexit Secretary does not agree with you.

Both options on future customs relationship remain alive, says Davis

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/03/both-options-on-future-customs-relationship-remain-alive-says-davis-eu-brexit

Pauciloquent_1_2

ilovehouses wrote: »

TM needs to call the brexiteers bluff - they haven't got the numbers.

If not it's time for us to decide if they're really the people to guide us through brexit. As Conrad would say - the Tories have turned into a squabble club.

What utter drivel.
The Brexit referendum was never about political allegiance which is why the then-PM and chancellor were both pro-remain whilst others were pro-leave.

In case you forgot, when parliament voted on Article 50 the majority in favour of Brexit going ahead was 384 with 498 votes for to 114 against.
Are you suggesting that so many have changed their mind, really?

Pauciloquent_1_2

mayonnaise wrote: »

Our Brexit Secretary does not agree with you.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/03/both-options-on-future-customs-relationship-remain-alive-says-davis-eu-brexit

Instead of concentrating on an attention-grabbing headline why not look at what Davis actually said, which was "“Both of these approaches have merits and virtues, both have some drawbacks and that’s why we’re taking our time over the discussion on this.”
That is very different from the headline's interpretation.

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

We have had recent comment from well read people on here that the UK doesn't really make anything.

A cursory browse across the internet for 10 minutes will tell you that is wrong.

It just takes a little effort to take an interest. That's all.

I can demonstrate with little effort how UK made product has a longevity which far exceeds the equivalent stuff coming out of China. If you define value via Total Cost of Ownership, then we do compete. If your interest is in tomorrow's landfill, then we don't.

That’s really good news. I hope that others can be encouraged to buy British.
My post was in responce to someone who suggested the Germans choosing to buy German produced products was somehow anti social or unpleasant.

gfplux

Pauciloquent_1 wrote: »

I looked & can't find any.
Isn't it odd how those posting the news have chosen to ignore the advice of fellow remainers that the UK is in a different cycle to the EU (IIRC by ilovehouses); the advice of fellow remainers that this thread is about Brexit and not the EU (gfplux); and on top of that ignore that EU growth is slowing somewhat earlier in their cycle than should be the case?
No wonder then that there remains a convincing argument that the EU remains troubled.
"Forget Brexit, the EU may be on the brink of collapse"

https://capx.co/forget-brexit-the-eu-may-be-on-the-brink-of-collapse/

I am delighted that someone has taken note that this thread is about Brexit and as Britain drifts away from the EU the fact that the EU is growing more quickly is just a fact of life that Britains and Brexiters dont like to hear.
I understand the reason in posting good EU growth figures as it is to show that the Brexit Uncertainty has damaged Britains growth.
However it is important to focus on the Brexit chaos as any posting on the future of the EU after 2019/2020 is only relevant in a discussion of Britains competitors.

gfplux

Pauciloquent_1 wrote: »

None if it counts for anything, leading to much gnashing-of-teeth by remainers.
The time to decide was before placing your "X" in the box and that opportunity has come and gone.
That alone led to the only result that matters and so we are leaving.
After the performance of the EU following the referendum, it will be an uphill battle to convince a majority to rejoin and that is IF you can convince enough people to consider the option in the first place.
You have more chance of plaiting fog, as it stands.

I suspect the feeling is mutual. The EU has enough to do without excepting Britain back inside the tent.

gfplux

cogito wrote: »

Whether the majority was 1000 or 1.7m is neither here nor there. There was a majority and it's the job of the government to do what they said they would do, i.e. leave the EU and that includes leaving the CU, SM and ECJ.

The reason that the whole thing appears to be difficult is that remoaners are doing everything they possibly can to frustrate the process. If they were willing to accept the decision of the majority, our exit would be proceeding much more smoothly. As it is, if we leave the EU without a deal (and that prospect doesn't really bother me), the remoaners will only have to look in the mirror to see whose fault it is.

I assume you are talking about members of the cabinet. If remainers (remoaners are cabinet members just as quitlings are) are having such an effect I have to say hurray for democracy. Actually if 48% are frustrating the process what have the 52% been doing all this time. They seem to have forgotten it is their idea.
What is actually happening is that the British negotiators have made a dogs dinner of it all. Their incompetence is frightening and reflect badly on Britain.

gfplux

Off topic.
I hope everyone who can has or will vote today. It would be great to see a turnout over 35%

gfplux

Bloomberg (they have the countdown at 330 days) have this today.
QUOTE
Tech Company Moves | Aptiv Plc plans to increase Dublin staff to 250 by the end of 2018 from 150 now, as it moves its global headquarters to the Irish capital.
END QUOTE

Other posters know something about the tech industry. Is this empty news or not?

Edit.
I found this
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2018/0502/959770-aptiv-moving-to-dublin/