Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

ukcarper

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Add on another 21% to countries with which the EU is negotiating a trade deal and you're at around 85%.

The source is an MP (click here).

I admit that I read the tweet this morning and couldn't correctly recall all of it (although did roughly remember the numbers), however 64% of our exports (including some non-EU countries) is a huge number, and adding on the trade deals in negotiation makes the potential for the UK inside the EU even greater. There's a graph in more detail if you scroll down.

Perhaps you could explain something to me the additional 21% is with countries EU are negotiating with if that's the case as we are already trading with these countries do you think they will stop trading with us if EU succeeds in getting a deal.

Rinoa

CKhalvashi wrote: »

I never stated, nor did I imply that 80% of UK exports go to the EU.

Is english your first language?

fewgroats

It is to countries associated with the EU, Rinoa. There should be a graph on the thread somewhere.

gfplux

cogito wrote: »

No, they didn't. They produced a position paper ( which you yourself have posted more than once) setting out a list of items where they thought that the UK had liabilities. An itemised bill requires numbers attaching to it and they didn't do that. To say that they did is ridiculous.

Pedantic.
I said, "Cogito, the EU sent an itemised bill with no numbers in May."

I could have said "Cogito, the EU sent an itemised LIST with no numbers in May 2017.

Is that better?

gfplux

I have been waiting for a Brexiter to post this.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-41884203
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"Overall vehicle sales fell by more than 12%, marking the seventh consecutive month of declines.
The SMMT blamed a drop in business and consumer confidence for the fall.
So far this year, new vehicle registrations are down by 4.6%."
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As a remainer I say this is bad news.
A Brexiter will use the figures to show Britain is really sticking it to those German car makers and it is all part of the "cunning plan" to get German Industry to force the EU to give Britain a great trade deal.

Actually I don't know what "a great trade deal" is unless it is joining a trading group of 27 members!

CKhalvashi

ukcarper wrote: »

Perhaps you could explain something to me the additional 21% is with countries EU are negotiating with if that's the case as we are already trading with these countries do you think they will stop trading with us if EU succeeds in getting a deal.

We can trade, but not on the same terms, putting the UK at a disadvantage. If the UK cannot compete it will lose vital long term contracts as a result of this, harming British workers.

Rinoa wrote: »

Is english your first language?

How is that a relevant question?

Try reading it again.

The EU gives us trading relationships with is the key phrase here. That does not imply the exports go to the EU, it implies that some of those exports go to countries the EU has negotiated preferential agreements with on the behalf of the UK.

You voted to lose those preferential agreements to the detriment of the UK, wishing harm on its citizens. I will fight (and I'm just as vocal off the forum as on it) to keep those agreements, for the UK to remain a full member of the European Union, as this is the best way forward for the UK.

ukcarper

CKhalvashi wrote: »

We can trade, but not on the same terms, putting the UK at a disadvantage. If the UK cannot compete it will lose vital long term contracts as a result of this, harming British workers

The trading terms with UK will remain the same and we could negotiate better terms so it does not follow our trade will suffer.

CKhalvashi

gfplux wrote: »

I have been waiting for a Brexiter to post this.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-41884203
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"Overall vehicle sales fell by more than 12%, marking the seventh consecutive month of declines.
The SMMT blamed a drop in business and consumer confidence for the fall.
So far this year, new vehicle registrations are down by 4.6%."
---

As a remainer I say this is bad news.
A Brexiter will use the figures to show Britain is really sticking it to those German car makers and it is all part of the "cunning plan" to get German Industry to force the EU to give Britain a great trade deal.

Actually I don't know what "a great trade deal" is unless it is joining a trading group of 27 members!

So, the credit binge is over and we are on the verge of entering a recession, in fact as correctly demonstrated the other week we are already in one if we take inflation into account.

I'm waiting for one of our right wing tabloids (who have spent years criticising the Eurozone economy) to point out that we are the only EU country experiencing negative wage growth.

Funnily enough though, both the tabloids and the Leavers appear to have gone very quiet on the matter.

CKhalvashi

ukcarper wrote: »

The trading terms with UK will remain the same and we could negotiate better terms so it does not follow our trade will suffer.

They will not unless we remain a member of the EEA.

This government, the one that couldn't manage to get a majority, have stated that they wish to leave the EEA in 2019.

Buy a cake, eat it and see if there is still cake there. It was argued the UK voted to leave the EU and therefore the UK has no right to use the trade agreements the EU has negotiated on its behalf. 40 years of trade agreements are down the drain, thanks for that.

ukcarper

CKhalvashi wrote: »

They will not unless we remain a member of the EEA.

This government, the one that couldn't manage to get a majority, have stated that they wish to leave the EEA in 2019.

Buy a cake, eat it and see if there is still cake there. It was argued the UK voted to leave the EU and therefore the UK has no right to use the trade agreements the EU has negotiated on its behalf. 40 years of trade agreements are down the drain, thanks for that.

It's nothing to do with EEA according to you they are countries the EU are in the process of negotiating a deal will leave.