Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

fatbeetle

CKhalvashi wrote: »

In fact, I think to show goodwill it would be fair to compensate the EU for the time wasted as a result of the unfinished negotiations.

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LOL!! :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

As a remainer I did not believe the pound was overvalued before the referendum.

And the connection between being a remainer and the current value of sterling is.

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

And the connection between being a remainer and the current value of sterling is.

There is no connection.

kabayiri

Chapuys wrote: »

How do you know the cost will be £400 billion? Have you visited 2030 and asked somebody? This is the problem with a lot of Brexit on both sides of the debate. People on either side of the debate make up figures and peddle them as truth. No one knows the cost for 2030 because Brexit could go very badly or very well, or neither, by 2030.

We could see a wave of job losses in employment sectors like call centres or mini-cab drivers or legal/accountancy services by the time 2030 arrives....all because of the inexorable march of technology and the demand for greater efficiency.

Do we really think people impacted would be worrying about Brexit, or the bigger issues surrounding their future work opportunities?

I do worry that Brexit might take our eye off the ball, when it comes to the changes taking place across the globe. Even something like rising religious fundamentalism could create far more instability across the globe.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

They wouldn't though, because there's no 'fee' for A50 being enacted. The money we're being asked to pay is to cover the contracts we agreed before we left. If we don't leave, then we're still able to uphold our agreements and thus no payment is required.

I think this 'fee' or 'divorce' payment is misleading, and lots of people actually think it's just a service charge or bribe or something.

The EU has some potentially big bills looming in the near future.

There will be another argument for increased funds from member states come the next budget setting round. UK didn't exactly win the argument for reducing spend last time did we?

What about all these capital projects which have as yet unfunded elements going forward.

The net contributors to the EU project will all be called upon once again to dig deep and provide the biggest support.

We would be conceding any position on influencing these spending plans, for a decade at least, IMO of course.

Arklight

Two posts from Graham and they shut the Corbynomics thread.

CKhalvashi

kabayiri wrote: »

We could see a wave of job losses in employment sectors like call centres or mini-cab drivers or legal/accountancy services by the time 2030 arrives....all because of the inexorable march of technology and the demand for greater efficiency.

This IMO makes it more important that we have as much flexibility within the labour market as possible. Many minicab/taxi drivers are self-employed in their own cars, however I don't see self-driving taxis being available in my lifetime.

Looking at this on a common sense level, if anyone has a self-driving car I'd like to see them have to have a driving license anyway, as the self-driving features within my own car can't always be trusted to do what I'd do in the same situation, and some of the automatic features (automatic braking for example) don't always pick the 'correct' option to do something safe.

In traffic I'm more likely to turn the cruise control off and drive completely manually as I don't trust the electronics. This naturally means I need a full driving license to do this legally.

Do we really think people impacted would be worrying about Brexit, or the bigger issues surrounding their future work opportunities?

I think a lot of the people I know specifically within the transportation industry will be weighing up their options in this situation. A lot of the older drivers are degree educated professionals who have taken retirement from their careers and enjoy the flexibility that driving offers.

Despite what you (and Uber) may think, driving professionally is a skilled job.

I do worry that Brexit might take our eye off the ball, when it comes to the changes taking place across the globe. Even something like rising religious fundamentalism could create far more instability across the globe.

The number of extremists within any religion is tiny compared with the number of people practicing any religion. I do agree that we are in a situation where further instability could be caused, however I don't agree that there's nothing we can do to stop it rising further right now, instead of waiting for the situation to happen.

The UK is a very multicultural society, it's IMO one of the reasons why it's a lovely country to live in. We need a multi-pronged approach right from the beginning to engage with everyone rather than an approach currently being taken of allowing extremism to rise before dealing. Proactive engagement is much better than reactive engagement and these things take time.

Thrugelmir

CKhalvashi wrote: »

In fact, I think to show goodwill it would be fair to compensate the EU for the time wasted as a result of the unfinished negotiations.

Merkel is struggling to form a coalition Government. Shows how quickly the wind can change direction, and the almighty are no longer the power brokers they once were. All of which will simply delay matters. As domestic politics comes first.

cogito

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Merkel is struggling to form a coalition Government. Shows how quickly the wind can change direction, and the almighty are no longer the power brokers they once were. All of which will simply delay matters. As domestic politics comes first.

Domestic politics do come first but Germany already has a firm grip on the levers of power in Brussels and that will remain whoever is in power in Berlin.

Here's an interesting read:

https://xyqom.german-foreign-policy.com/en/news/detail/7431/

mailmannz

mayonnaise wrote: »

Yes, Leave got a slight majority in a non-binding, advisory referendum some time last year.
But democracy is fluid. Or as our Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union says:

http://www.daviddavismp.com/david-davis-mp-delivers-speech-on-the-opportunities-for-a-referendum-on-europe/

OR the old "we will keep voting until we get the right result!!" :rotfl:

A slight majority...as in...you mean more people voted to leave than to remain? :T :rotfl:

Regards

Mailman