Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

System

kabayiri wrote: »

Just suppose we had a 2nd referendum on the terms of the exit deal.

This is what people like Tony Blair and Gina Miller etc argue for.

I know what the Leave option would be. It might not be everything we sought but I would know what it entailed.

But...what would the Remain option look like?
- Would we keep all the opt outs we had before?
- Would we be encouraged to join the Euro?
- Would Spain take the opportunity to bring up the Gibraltar issue?
- Would we have to accept some of Merkels' unwanted refugees, from the large number who arrived in 2015?
- What would our place be in the EU going forward?

Truthfully, do you think our politicians could answer this? It's more likely that some of this won't be in their hands will it?

This plus the loss of face that May's team would have makes it pretty unlikely don't you think?

I totally agree but it seems a bit late to be worrying about unknown consequences of a decision now. In my world we'd have asked all these questions before letting everyone vote on it but I seem to be a bit odd like that. WILL OF THE PEEPLE and all that *fist bump*

Herzlos

Rough_Justice wrote: »

Oh do make your mind up

I didn't contradict myself. Both points stand, even if autocorrect got in the way.

To re-iterate; we will almost certainly have to take chlorine chicken as part of a trade deal. We might Not, somehow, or we might decline a bespoke deal. Thus there are options that prevent us making chlorine chicken legal.

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

Just suppose we had a 2nd referendum on the terms of the exit deal.

This is what people like Tony Blair and Gina Miller etc argue for.

I know what the Leave option would be. It might not be everything we sought but I would know what it entailed.

But...what would the Remain option look like?
- Would we keep all the opt outs we had before?
- Would we be encouraged to join the Euro?
- Would Spain take the opportunity to bring up the Gibraltar issue?
- Would we have to accept some of Merkels' unwanted refugees, from the large number who arrived in 2015?
- What would our place be in the EU going forward?

Truthfully, do you think our politicians could answer this? It's more likely that some of this won't be in their hands will it?

This plus the loss of face that May's team would have makes it pretty unlikely don't you think?

When would this referendum take place. We must assume after the broad outline of the relationship between Britain and the EU after Brexit that I understand this is supposed to be published October 2018.
This would not be a referendum on the trade deal as even at top speed this will not be available to look at until mid 2020 when Britain will already have left the EU.

While I know that many EU leaders have expressed sadness at the original referendum vote, who knows if the EU27 will except Britain back in the EU.
People assume this is a given, I am not so sure.

PS I am presently in the South of France and it is raining the proverbial stair rods. Or it is just damp as you northerners would say

mayonnaise

Brexiteers often used to tell us about the EU's dwindling importance to UK trade.

Reality check :

EU has grown faster as market for UK exports than Asia and US since Brexit vote

The EU has been the biggest source of growth for 43 per cent of company bosses surveyed by the Institute of Directors. Just 21 per cent pointed to North America, with the same proportion also citing Asia.

Another day, another Leave myth exposed.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-eu-export-market-faster-growth-uk-exports-asia-us-referendum-company-directors-a8296856.html

Rinoa

mayonnaise wrote: »

Brexiteers often used to tell us about the EU's dwindling importance to UK trade.

Reality check :


Another day, another Leave myth exposed.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-eu-export-market-faster-growth-uk-exports-asia-us-referendum-company-directors-a8296856.html

Without knowing each individual comany's trade volumes those stats are meaningless.

mayonnaise

Rinoa wrote: »

Without knowing each individual comany's trade volumes those stats are meaningless.

They're not stats, it's a survey.
If the survey has been done properly, it will have included companies with varying trade volumes and varying export market foci.

mayonnaise

Brexit does have its positives after all.

Euroscepticism plummets in Denmark as consequences of Brexit become clear

Rising pro-EU sentiment in Denmark is not isolated

There were also sharp rises in optimism about the EU across the board, but especially in France, where new president Emmanuel Macron saw off a far-right challenger, and Portugal, whose government has ended austerity and kick-started growth with an investment programme.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-denmark-poll-eu-referendum-consequences-a8286296.html

Rinoa

mayonnaise wrote: »

Brexit does have its positives after all.




https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-denmark-poll-eu-referendum-consequences-a8286296.html

3 EU countries more pro EU?

Hmmm.

How good is your maths: 27 - 3 = ?

mayonnaise

Rinoa wrote: »

3 EU countries more pro EU?

Hmmm.

How good is your maths: 27 - 3 = ?

Twenty-four?

wunferall

mayonnaise wrote: »

Brexit does have its positives after all.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-denmark-poll-eu-referendum-consequences-a8286296.html

Good for them but the UK is still leaving. Maybe someone should ask them how they feel about Orban wanting to reform the EU, and see if they still feel the same.