Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

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I haven't watched the video; not able to at work. I'll try later.

I genuinely want to know a pro-EU opinion on why he is wrong.

How much was the Euro a financial project, or a political project? After all, if you are a politician pushing the European integration agenda, a common currency is almost a pre-requisite is it not?

But, how ready and aligned were the individual states? I'm not talking about in pure monetary terms, but in their approach to fiscal rectitude.

The Greeks don't think like the Germans when it comes down to planning for tomorrow. If they did the drachma would have been a stable currency long ago.

Thrugelmir

Rough_Justice wrote: »

Or even France where Macron's reforms have lead to air, railway, hospital, refuse collection and even supermarket staff all currently engaged in strike action?

Macron polled 24% in the elections. Hardly a ringing endorsement for his economic reform plans. Which do appear to be unraveling rather quickly. Hardly surprising that the CAP has never been addressed. No French President dare.

While Merkel was sidelined Macron attempted to take centre stage. Seems as if both now face National issues. Brexit won't be high on their personal agendas.

Rough_Justice

Herzlos wrote: »

Most of the remainers here are just trying to figure out how Brexit can be a good thing. We all hope it is and that some of the leavers claims turn out to be true

That is so obviously untrue.

Page after page of positivity regarding the UK since the referendum, all facts refuted or ignored by remainers here and you have the temerity to ask how Brexit can be a good thing?
Well like an earlier question you posed asking for debate, there seems little point when it is so obvious that there is absolutely zero intention of giving responses any serious consideration.

I remember seeing a post a few days ago about a poster being put on "ignore" for what pretty much amounts to constant posting of nothing more than inconsequential drivel.
Sadly it looks like you may soon be receiving the same treatment from me for very similar reasons.

Herzlos

Rough_Justice wrote: »

That is so obviously untrue.

Page after page of positivity regarding the UK since the referendum, all facts refuted or ignored by remainers here and you have the temerity to ask how Brexit can be a good thing?
Well like an earlier question you posed asking for debate, there seems little point when it is so obvious that there is absolutely zero intention of giving responses any serious consideration.

I remember seeing a post a few days ago about a poster being put on "ignore" for what pretty much amounts to constant posting of nothing more than inconsequential drivel.
Sadly it looks like you may soon be receiving the same treatment from me for very similar reasons.

It depends very much on your viewpoint I guess; I've seen lots of irrelevant crap that's been refuted. But you presumably see valid points being ignored due to crap arguments. One day the facts will be obvious and one of us will be wrong.

Feel free to put me on ignore. That'll make my life easier

To be honest, the clarity and grown up discussion I'm seeking on Brexit clearly aren't to be found on this board anyway, so I'll probably leave you guys to your echo chamber.

Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

I genuinely want to know a pro-EU opinion on why he is wrong.

I'll have a look and report back. I'm not pro-EU though.

BobQ

Rough_Justice wrote: »

Yet again though leavers are being proven correct.
Immigration has reduced.
Wages are rising.
Productivity is rising.
:T

I for one as someone who voted remain am prepared to admit that so far things are better than I feared, but we have yet to actually leave. Its also apparent that immigration from the EU is falling but not as part of a plan. For example we have a shortage of nurses yet those from the EU are leaving the UK.

Yes productivity is rising but not as much as that of the other G7 nations. This country still has a productivity issue.

And wages are rising but more slowly than in many major economies.

The UK would have economic problems whether in or out it seems.

gfplux

wunferall wrote: »

What for example do you think of this?
UK productivity picks up strongly in second half of 2017 - stats agency

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-productivity/uk-productivity-picks-up-strongly-in-second-half-of-2017-stats-agency-idUKKCN1HD127?il=0

Sorry for quoting a shouter.

Looks like Britain is doing pretty well inside the EU. If the referendum were held today what reason would anyone have for voting for Brexit.
Unless there are positives benefits for Britain in leaving the EU.
Anyone have a list of those, anyone, anyone.

Herzlos

So there's a bit more information on what sort of trade deal red lines the US will have:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-us-trade-deal-uk-wish-list-representative-negotiations-chlorine-washed-chicken-tariffs-a8292006.html

I'm not going to quote it but there's a lot. Most of it about relaxing rules on animal welfare and food standards that "harm trade".

What do people think about it?

Herzlos

gfplux wrote: »

Unless there are positives benefits for Britain in leaving the EU.
Anyone have a list of those, anyone, anyone.

I think that horse Is long dead I'm afraid; you're not going to get a convincing answer because there isn't one.

I honestly doubt Leave would have won had the details been known, but I'm also not expecting a 2nd referendum since that would go again "the will of the people", and there's no time left for it. We're going to leave, at least in name. We'll probably re-join later but we'll need to wait and see!

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

I think that horse Is long dead I'm afraid; you're not going to get a convincing answer because there isn't one.
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Speaking of answers, have you had time to review the video yet which we discussed yesterday?

There's a lot of talk here about UK and the various problems we face.

The referendum vote was about the EU. I'm surprised there isn't more discussion about the long term future of the EU, and whether the nature of UK society/politics lends itself to this future naturally.