Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

wunferall

Herzlos wrote: »

Sorry, I was trying to infer your point from the words you wrote. Your point is that I'm cruel? Why?
Because I don't agree with you and keep asking lots of difficult questions like "how?" and "why?"?
No. Because your very obvious posting style matches your name as I have said; do keep up.

I assumed that since you went to the hassle of figuring out my name isn't English, and then translating it (not even using google, since google gets the interpretation correct. Herzlos => Herz (heart) los (less)).
The reason it's not from Google is because I didn't need to. Read on.

In your opinion. 17 million people also agreed with me.
In the referendum, voted to leave = 17,410,742. Voted to remain = 16,141,241. As a leaver my figure is fact and as a remainer yours is downright wrong.


I'm aware of the words you used. You pointed out my username was German and implied that my "own" weren't in the UK. If that isn't what you meant, then word your sentences better.
You decided to take the implication to further your anti-Brexit rhetoric. Try sticking to facts rather than making incorrect assumptions since my sentence was grammatically accurate; it is yourself ignoring the question preceding those statements which you choose to ignore that is clouding your interpretation. If indeed you are multilingual you should be more aware of the need for accuracy in your interpretations.

I'm not offended or bashing, just pointing out that your suggestion is wrong. Nor do I really care if you don't think I'm patriotic (or whatever) enough because I have the cheek to speak foreign languages (I also know some Spanish and Arabic).
You aren't the only one. I speak five languages fluently and another three with varying degrees of accuracy.

That leads to an interesting thought; I wonder what the correlation is between leave/remain and languages spoken?

Well what a bluster that was! Any way, although at first I pondered ignoring your post as I so often do I thought "No!" and the replies are above.

You got stung and didn't like it. Now, is there any chance at all of contributing to what is supposed to be debate instead of whining?

What for example do you think of this?
UK productivity picks up strongly in second half of 2017 - stats agency

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-productivity/uk-productivity-picks-up-strongly-in-second-half-of-2017-stats-agency-idUKKCN1HD127?il=0

wunferall

ilovehouses wrote: »

Which one do you use for saying something worthwhile?

Obviously the right one since just one post was worthwhile enough for you to post two replies.

Herzlos

wunferall wrote: »

Well what a bluster that was! Any way, although at first I pondered ignoring your post as I so often do I thought "No!" and the replies are above.

You got stung and didn't like it. Now, is there any chance at all of contributing to what is supposed to be debate instead of whining?

What for example do you think of this?
UK productivity picks up strongly in second half of 2017 - stats agency

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-productivity/uk-productivity-picks-up-strongly-in-second-half-of-2017-stats-agency-idUKKCN1HD127?il=0

Apologies, I thought 17m was close enough for the argument, and that your post had some sort of point. Not that I'm denying it, but I'd love to know why you think I'm cruel. I suspect I'll never find out.

Is German one of your languages? Because I'm surprised by your interpretation of my username.

I'd love it if we could have a real debate. Any time you are ready

Uk productivity is good, though given we're still in the EU and a soft Brexit is looking most likely; what does this tell us about our post Brexit reality?

No one is arguing that the sky hasn't fallen in yet; we know that.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

...
I'd love it if we could have a real debate. Any time you are ready
...

Let's start with a realistic assessment of where the EU is heading.

After all, if you don't think a club has a long term healthy future, you're not going to want to pay heavily to stay in, are you?

Specifically, I want to know why this viewpoint is wrong :-
https://youtu.be/qpUh_ejubyY

In my adult lifetime, the EU share of global trade has basically halved. So I wan't to know why this is, and will the trend continue.

All the Remain talk during the referendum was predicated on the idea that staying in the EU meant a status quo. This is disingenuous to say the least. The EU will be forced to change, as will the UK.

mrginge

ilovehouses wrote: »

Not a liar but the hard brexit type of leaver is more interested in getting one over on the remoaners. Here's a preview - 'haha you remoaners said it was all too difficult and here we are with the Irish border sorted by virtue of a Union Douanière :T'

Lol that’s a bit rich. The sole motivation of the few ‘remaining remoaners’ is to find any possible way they can claim a win out of a defeat.

If it’s not ‘remainers are cleverer than leavers’
Or
‘Leavers won’t get what they wanted (which they didn’t know what it was they wanted of course)
Or
‘<insert reason> will stop leave from even happening’
Then it’s my personal favourite -
‘We’ll rejoin anyway in a few years of true horror’


The reality is that we will leave, then we will move forward and everybody will wonder what all the fuss was about. And that, my good man, is it.

Thrugelmir

ilovehouses wrote: »

As well as delighting in the increase in populism and right wing representation in parts of Europe some have also been noting an increase in anti-EU sentiment. In their world we needed to leave the EU because of faux concerns about the right.... and the anti-EU sentiment? Well that's for very good reasons of course. In the real world they're linked - that's how xenophobic nationalism works.

No one is delighting in anything. Totally the opposite. The fractures that appearing are a clear illustration that the EU project isn't working in it's current form. Takes more than seamless borders and open trade for everyone to feel engaged, enriched.

Herzlos

Do you want to talk about the future of the eu from when we had a say, or now we're not obstructing it?

It's also true that the share of eu trade has gone down as it increases globally but 1. The eu is working on trade deals with these growth countries and 2. Most trade is carried out with neighbours. without relocating to the far East, the majority of our trade is always going to be with or through the eu.

Going it alone may allow us to sign a deal faster, but the reduced clout will mean the deal risks being worse than the eu would have. Plus if we want preferential access to the eu markets and seamless trade we'll largely need to stick to eu standards or they risk us being a back door into the eu for stuff that wouldn't be allowed.

I haven't watched the video; not able to at work. I'll try later.

Herzlos

mrginge wrote: »

Lol that’s a bit rich. The sole motivation of the few ‘remaining remoaners’ is to find any possible way they can claim a win out of a defeat.

If it’s not ‘remainers are cleverer than leavers’
Or
‘Leavers won’t get what they wanted (which they didn’t know what it was they wanted of course)
Or
‘<insert reason> will stop leave from even happening’
Then it’s my personal favourite -
‘We’ll rejoin anyway in a few years of true horror’


The reality is that we will leave, then we will move forward and everybody will wonder what all the fuss was about. And that, my good man, is it.

Most of the remainers here are just trying to figure out how Brexit can be a good thing. We all hope it is and that some of the leavers claims turn out to be true

Rough_Justice

ilovehouses wrote: »

Brilliant news. Thanks for proving the sky didn't fall in after the referendum and for showing just how well we're doing inside the EU years before any significant rule changes are likely to take place due to brexit.

Not bad at all when the remain group told us we would have the immediate consequences of an emergency budget, severe recession and millions of jobs lost, is it?

The EU; well why don't you remind us how well Italy are doing whilst inside the EU?
Or even France where Macron's reforms have lead to air, railway, hospital, refuse collection and even supermarket staff all currently engaged in strike action?
Maybe you'd like me to mention Greece again?


Stop trying to imply that the EU are the cause of the UK's productivity improving because you're only succeeding in making yourself appear very foolish.
Leavers have long said that if cheap imported labour was reduced, wages would rise and productivity would improve as companies would have to invest in productivity.
This was pooh-poohed by remainers like yourself.
Yet again though leavers are being proven correct.
Immigration has reduced.
Wages are rising.
Productivity is rising.
:T

mrginge

Herzlos wrote: »

Most of the remainers here are just trying to figure out how Brexit can be a good thing. We all hope it is and that some of the leavers claims turn out to be true

With respect,

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