Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

I think that sums it up pretty well; the differences between leave and remain are irreconcilable, and we'll never understand the reasoning of the other side.

That's fine when flopping left/right in a general election, but concerning when Brexit can have much more drastic impact and the eu won't let up keep joining and leaving every 10 years

The EU is no better, in fact arguably it is worse.

You can draw up multiple dividing lines within the EU, between old/new entrants; the North/South wealth divide created by the Euro.

They can't even agree how to relocate a modest number of refugees.

If we look back through history we see these coallitions and fractures all the time. I don't see why it should be any different now.

I'm just concerned about my region, here in the UK and also what happens in Western Canada. I think that's all you can do, protect your own.

Herzlos

My own is better protected under the eu than Westminster.

wunferall

Herzlos wrote: »

My own is better protected under the eu than Westminster.

If they live within the EU rather than the UK they would be, wouldn't they? If you're going to try and suggest that here in the UK you're better-looked-after by the EU than by the UK government prove it.

Small wonder such attempted lies are peddled IMHO when a certain username is German and translated means "cruel; callous; soulless" etc.

Herzlos

It took you long enough to try and discredit me for having a foreign username

I feel, based on the evidence i see, that my family is better looked after in the eu. More money, more opportunity, more safeguards.

The alternative is what, the Tories cutting "red tape" and reducing our food standards or selling our nhs to get a trade deal?

If I was actually German I'd be wanting you to get on with it and leave already

kabayiri

The EU don't care about disenfranchised people in Sunderland or Bradford any more than they do about the people in parts of Greece and Southern Italy.

Expanding the EU widened the pool of labour, turning more of it into commodity. 1/3 of German autoparts are made in the cheaper Eastern European states. Cheaper labour -> more profit for the German automakers.

I'm not saying this is right or wrong, but let's not pretend that the EU has some idealistic notion of protecting the forgotten. They are essentially autocrats at the centre.

mayonnaise

Herzlos wrote: »

It took you long enough to try and discredit me for having a foreign username

Oh shoot. My username is of French origin.
Maybe I should change it to escape the wrath of the brexit ultras on here.

Arklight

mrginge wrote: »

Aren’t you embarrassed that when up against Boris Johnson the best you can manage is ‘basically neck and neck’

I think it's a shame that that's what so many English people find appealing, honestly. But that's the UK in 2018, it won't always be the same.

Arklight

Herzlos wrote: »

I think that sums it up pretty well; the differences between leave and remain are irreconcilable, and we'll never understand the reasoning of the other side.

That's fine when flopping left/right in a general election, but concerning when Brexit can have much more drastic impact and the eu won't let up keep joining and leaving every 10 years

The actual Leave campaign was very clear in its sentiment. It was xenophobic.

Leave winning was only ever going to lead to a triumphant spasm from the Right. Thankfully Theresa May did us an enormous favour by calling an election to capitalise on this which gave enough of the British people the opportunity to come to their senses and chop the Tories down at the knees.

This government is too weak to do anything other than wait for another government but time, demographics and the shift away from reading newspapers (80% of which are owned by Tory donors) is not in the Conservative's favour.

Lornapink

Arklight wrote: »

The voters are basically neck and neck, and the polls are only moving one way.

You lot can dish it out, but you certainly can’t take it.

:-)

At this point in the cycle the opposition is typically way ahead. It's always easy to feel disapproval with those in charge, hence why oppositions at this point can very easily make hay.


Labour should be way ahead.

Lornapink

Arklight wrote: »

This government is too weak to do anything other than wait for another government but time, demographics and the shift away from reading newspapers (80% of which are owned by Tory donors) is not in the Conservative's favour.

You've got this back to front.
Look at who the most popular political personalities are on YouTube. Nearly all right wing. These folk are doing global tours like rock stars, there is no left wing equivalent. These rock stars of politics include the likes of Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, Milo and styxhexenhammer666.


Once upon a time the conservative establishment wouldn't tolerate free speech, obscenity, offence.
Now the liberal/left establishment is the authoritarian hierarchy bearing down on speech and thought. Kids always reject being told what to do and say.


You wont be aware of any of this, you're too MSM in your outlook.