Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

mayonnaise

Benefits of Brexit?

'warm glow of satisfaction'
'growing the flight feathers back'

Keep 'em coming guys. :rotfl:

mayonnaise

Herzlos wrote: »

I'm surprised by how few eu countries are using the euro currently (and the inconvenience of it), so I genuinely can't see us being forced to use the euro if we'd stayed in.

Not sure either why this already debunked Leaver myth keeps popping up.
There are several countries in the EU who don't have use the Euro, who are not being forced in the Euro and who have no intention at all of adopting the Euro.
All of those countries having much less economic and political clout than the UK.
The notion of the EU forcing the UK into the Euro - if we had remained - is pure fantasy.

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

I'm theory it's a great idea but it's totally let down by the details and the people you want to hand the control to.

The consequences of the details as you put it, are yet to play out.You think it will be a disaster, me and the majority of the UK population think otherwise.
The people who will be handed control are British politicians, are you suggesting that UK lawmakers aren't up to it?
That's taking your miserablist view of your country a tad far don't you think?

Thrugelmir

ilovehouses wrote: »

It's still niche. We can't all just decide to do skilled work for a cool brand that commands a premium.

You've got to look at the total contribution.

A large margin multiplied by a small number of hand built cars isn't a lot of money. A couple of million cheaper cars multiplied by a smaller margin is a lot of added value.

Service industries which account for the backbone of the UK economy are primarily low skilled jobs. A problem that sucessive Governments have attempted to address without success.

mrginge

ilovehouses wrote: »

Despite this you feel strangely compelled to make pointless comments about how pointless this thread is.

I know. It’s fun isn’t it.

cogito

ilovehouses wrote: »

That's true. The EU/ EEC has developed from a trading bloc into a more distinct political entity. It doesn't bother me but I can see why some would be.

However, if we seem(?) to be acknowledging that the common market was a distinctly good thing shouldn't we try and at least try and find a way to continue to agree shared standards, access to the single market etc. Hard brexiters seem to want to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Just because we will be leaving the EU doesn't mean that we will cease all cooperation with them, nor them with us where it is in our mutual interests. Article 8 of the Lisbon Treaty makes it clear that the EU will seek close relationships with its neighbours even if that isn't obvious from their approach to the negotiations.

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

I'm surprised by how few eu countries are using the euro currently (and the inconvenience of it), so I genuinely can't see us being forced to use the euro if we'd stayed in.

What's the inconvenience of a common currency? The theory is well articulated. Unfortunately as with many things in the EU the imposition has been compromised. Germany's financial status wasn't earnt for example. Just cleverly engineered. At the expense of others.

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

The consequences of the details as you put it, are yet to play out.You think it will be a disaster, me and the majority of the UK population think otherwise.
The people who will be handed control are British politicians, are you suggesting that UK lawmakers aren't up to it?
That's taking your miserablist view of your country a tad far don't you think?

A majority of the UK population categorically don't agree with you.

Do you trust May or Corbyn to lead a government with no additional checks?

Bear in mind that the Tories (under May) voting against requiring private rentals should be "fit for human habitation", removed the protection of animals as sentint being and are trying to scrap the human rights act.

Can you name an ECJ ruling you don't agree with?
Like Aziz, which basically states that for a contract to be binding it must be fair?

Or any EU regulation you don't agree with? Given that we agreed with or drove the vast majority of them?

gfplux

Did I read here that one reason a Brexiter put forward for voting Brexit was he HOPED the Government would prioritise non EU workers.
Well yet another hope dashed to earth and ground in the dust.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/curry-houses-furious-over-plan-to-give-eu-migrants-priority-a3805711.html

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Downing Street would not deny that ministers are considering a plan for EU citizens to leapfrog workers from elsewhere in sectors where skills are in short supply, as a concession to offer in trade negotiations with the EU.

But it drew bitter condemnation from leaders of the £4.3 billion curry industry who were lured into backing Vote Leave with promises that Brexit would make it easier to bring in top chefs from south Asia.

Enam Ali, founder of the British Curry Awards, said:;On many occasions we recall Boris Johnson and others say it was very important that we could bring in chefs from outside the EU because the market needed it. But now it seems as if nobody is entertaining the idea.;

Mitu Chowdhury, organising secretary of the Bangladesh Caterers Association, said: ;We attended every single campaign meeting with Boris Johnson, Priti Patel and Michael Gove and they said that the British curry industry would be a first priority. We think we have been let down.;

Mr Chowdhury said granting preference to EU workers would be a disaster as curry houses could be pushed to the back of the queue for visas.
END QUOTE

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

Article 8 of the Lisbon Treaty makes it clear that the EU will seek close relationships with its neighbours even if that isn't obvious from their approach to the negotiations.

It's very clear from negotiations. Whats getting in the way is Mays red lines. Once she abandoms them all (which she will) then the progress will pick up nd we'll be back to more or less full cooperation.