Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

What's the inconvenience of a common currency? The theory is well articulated. Unfortunately as with many things in the EU the imposition has been compromised. Germany's financial status wasn't earnt for example. Just cleverly engineered. At the expense of others.

The inconvenience is the uncommon currency. I've got loose change on 4 non-euro currencies at the moment, which I'll lose money converting to GBP/EUR. Every time I visit another non-Euro country I need to go and exchange money to that and lose out on any leftovers.

When I'm dealing with Euro countries I don't need to change it back as I can re-spend it somewhere else.

I appreciate the problems with different economies on a single currency, but from the travellers point of view it's brilliant.

Remember having to deal with Lira, Pesos, Francs, Deutschmark and so on?

Herzlos

Sagacious_Samuel wrote: »

How did your arithmetic cope with that when you can't even work out how many vans are exported from the figures made in UK subtract figures sold in UK?

Strangely the rest of the world copes very well in converting currency between countries when travelling, just as we used to.
Maybe those in the EU are too lazy, maybe they think it's beneath them - or maybe it is beyond their capability?

I didn't say I couldn't do the conversions. I said it's a pain having to get currency converted and lose some at each step.

Note that I'm not even advocating adoption of the Euro, from a traveller perspective it's great but from an economy point if view it's terrible.
I'd be all for countries going dual currency; everywhere accepts their own currency AND the Euro at whatever thstvdays exchange rate is. Lots of countries already have vendors that'll take payment in multiple currencies, so this would just be a standardization on that and make free movement of people, goods, services and capital much easier.

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

A majority of the UK population categorically don't agree with you.

Do you trust May or Corbyn to lead a government with no additional checks?

Bear in mind that the Tories (under May) voting against requiring private rentals should be "fit for human habitation", removed the protection of animals as sentint being and are trying to scrap the human rights act.

Can you name an ECJ ruling you don't agree with?
Like Aziz, which basically states that for a contract to be binding it must be fair?

Or any EU regulation you don't agree with? Given that we agreed with or drove the vast majority of them?

Brexit with respect, is bigger than who will be our PM for the next couple of occasions. Brexit is a generational shift in direction for the UK, therefore it does surprise me how mired in the politics of here and now some remainers are. The country has moved on from past ECJ rulings and EU regulations I don’t agree with, we had that argument in 2016.

melanzana

No one is allowed to question Brexit anymore. There is only one message allowed. Remainers have been called some very awful things, but Brexiteers haven't as far as I can see.

Seems to be a propaganda issue for Brexit. Big time. Shut up anyone who deflects from the perceived wisdom.

Anyone with half a brain can see where this is leading us now. No plan, no costings, no indication of the impact/wonder drug wonders Brexit will bring and so on. It is so obvious what is going on.

Rule Brittania and !!!! all the impact. But I am sure it will be a mighty success.

It is based on racism. Terrible really.

Well, we shall see.

Thrugelmir

melanzana wrote: »

No one is allowed to question Brexit anymore.

General elections are held on a regular basis. No one questions the right of who ever wins to govern. That's democracy. The trait of single issue groups to promote their own agenda does little to create a cohesive community.

melanzana

Thrugelmir wrote: »

General elections are held on a regular basis. No one questions the right of who ever wins to govern. That's democracy. The trait of single issue groups to promote their own agenda does little to create a cohesive community.

I know, but the recent act means that elections can only take place every five years barring some catastrophe.

I don't think we are talking about Governing here, to my mind it is full on "it is what it is and do not question it!" Shut up if you question Brexit, you are totally wrong, and we will call you names. Awful stuff in a so called democracy really.

The basis of the vote to leave was predicated on racism. There could be no other reason. That really alarms me.

melanzana

Intra EU trade and other trade was going fine. Everything was going swimmingly good.

But unfortunately the EU and other foreigners "invading" our country won the referendum for the leavers.

I would like someone to debate that fact with FACTS. Not deflecting, not name calling or anything else.

Was a really jingoistic move IMV. And the cost of all this will not be borne by anyone else, just us taxpayers, while the elites who fought for it still quaff their champagne and cigars and laugh at us for our post colonial mindset and hubris.

Thrugelmir

melanzana wrote: »

But unfortunately the foreigners invading our country won the referendum for the leavers.

Well it was an issue that the EU hierarchy were unwilling to reconsider. Not suprising really. Given the fact that many countries benefit directly from the broad policy of FOM.

melanzana

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Well it was an issue that the EU hierarchy were unwilling to reconsider. Not suprising really. Given the fact that many countries benefit directly from the broad policy of FOM.

Intra EU migration is no problem really. We are blessed with those who look after us in medical and social care amongst many other aspects.

Everyone else needs a visa or ESTA equivalent.

I cannot figure out the desire to reduce this legally procured access to the UK.

Unless the Home Office Border Control is asleep at the wheel WRT non EU visa requirements and chancers! I doubt Brexit will solve that either though.

Theresa May knows all this from her former role in the Home Office, but she appears not to have taken illegal immigration seriously at that time.

Thrugelmir

melanzana wrote: »

Intra EU migration is no problem really. We are blessed with those who look after us in medical and social care amongst many other aspects.

Everyone else needs a visa or ESTA equivalent.

I cannot figure out the desire to reduce this legally procured access to the UK.

Unless the Home Office Border Control is asleep at the wheel WRT non EU visa requirements and chancers! I doubt Brexit will solve that either though.

Theresa May knows all this from her former role in the Home Office, but she appears not to have taken illegal immigration seriously at that time.

Uncontrolled immigration and emigration are having impacts across Europe in many different ways. Fully understandable for economic reasons people wish to move. There's a world beneath that of VISA's and ESTA's though. People are culturally different. In itself a huge challenge for support services.