Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Theophile

I wonder how she got this bit past the brexit ultras.

When we leave the EU, the Withdrawal Bill will bring EU law into UK law. That means cases will be determined in our courts. But, where appropriate, our courts will continue to look at the ECJ’s judgments, as they do for the appropriate jurisprudence of other countries’ courts.

Rough_Justice

Matt_L wrote: »

Didn't hear all the speech yet but from what i can gather she reiterated the following:

We are leaving the CU
We are leaving the SM
We will be able to make our own trade deals
On most things our courts are number one
Free movement will end

Am i missing anything??

To see remainers on here finally happy then is it time we put our divisions to one side and got behind TM

"Remainers" and "happy" are, I suspect, incompatible words.
That's why you get so many derogatory or diversionary responses from them the likes of which we consistently see in this thread and elsewhere.

fewgroats

And conversely, is Jacob Rees-Mogg happy?

mrginge

ilovehouses wrote: »

You're kidding right? Brexit is a stupid waste of time - I tend not to get overjoyed when facing options which are all sub-optimal

Your sense of self importance is legendary, but I was actually referring to full hoard of our remainer chums rather than just your good self.

At some point in the not too distant future a knife will be delivered to the centre of Mrs May's back. All things May will be dismantled and there will be almighty kitchen sinking exercise where everything is blamed on her. Perhaps history will be kind but her colleagues won't.

Yes yes, I’m sure in the game of politics the fate that befalls just about every prime minister in some way will also befall this one. It doesn’t take a genius to make that kind of claim.

In fact you’ve been waiting to pat yourself on the back for that one for the last nine months or so without success. But even so, we can all look forward to an inevitably smug I told you so when the day actually arrives.

Arklight

Theophile wrote: »

I wonder how she got this bit past the brexit ultras.

She won’t. As Verhofstadt pointed out her speech is a meaningless wishlist, but it is at least a wishlist for a soft Brexit, rather than the return to 19th Century mercantilism Express reading blowhards think they want (that and confirmation of extra terrestrial life over close ups of Megan Markle's legs if the Express sidebar is anything to go by).

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-speech-guy-verhofstadt-eu-resonse-vague-aspirations-a8236866.html

Meanwhile that slow rumbling in the background is the sound of the Daily Mail preparing to eject the Yosemite geyser of Paul Dacre's response to the idea of the UK paying to remain part of the EU agencies and be bound by their regulations.

Filo25

Rough_Justice wrote: »

She has played an absolute blinder IMHO.

Remainers happy.
Brexiters happy.
Media happy.

But no wonder Tusk was quiet as I said yesterday.
The EU are on the back foot and have been mightily played.
May has shown compromise BUT I suspect in full knowledge that the EU, being the intransigent bunch they are, just cannot themselves agree to do the same.
That will not only show the world just what a political dinosaur the EU are but will turn both global and intra-EU opinion against them for not reciprocating and finalising a Brexit deal.

Simply, although May says she won't threaten to walk away from EU negotiations she doesn't need to.
Because the EU will not ever agree to a deal.
WTO here we come.
And the world will lay the blame at the door of the EU.

Now let's see if the remainers here that were praising Theresa May are still of that opinion. Because it looks like she has played the EU to absolute perfection, leaving them the choice of giving the UK much of what May has asked for OR proving themselves to be the protectionist, intransigent and despotic organisation that many already consider them to be.

So basically you are happy to have a terrible trade deal for the UK as long as we get to blame the EU at the end? Each to their own I suppose.

I doubt the rest of the world really cares whether we get a great deal beyond those like Canada who would hope to leverage it into a better deal for themselves as well.

Instead our hopes are what exactly? A fair and comprehensive free trade deal with the US which is currently sticking tariffs on imports of steel from fellow NAFTA members because Trump had a bad week and fancied starting a fight?

Actually I have seen plenty of EU responses to this, they all pretty much say "where's the detail on what the UK is proposing?"

Rough_Justice

Who mentioned JRM?
Just as some question the perceived attention in themselves I question the attention his POV receives but still, you asked for it so ..........

“The soft line is we’re going to give [the EU] £35bn and if we don’t have a deal you won’t have any money and you're bust - so what are you going to do about it?

“They need the money! The soft line is that we are offering them this huge amount of money and in return we want a trade deal.

“If we don’t get a trade deal they don’t get any money.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/shelagh-fogarty/jacob-rees-moggs-no-nonsense-message-to-the-eu/

Thrugelmir

Theophile wrote: »

I wonder how she got this bit past the brexit ultras.

At the end of the day. Doesn't matter. As the deal is voted upon in it's entirety. Not section by section. If the HoC votes against. Then it's a Hard Brexit. May will have accomplished her task.

Rough_Justice

Filo25 wrote: »

So basically you are happy to have a terrible trade deal for the UK as long as we get to blame the EU at the end? Each to their own I suppose.

I doubt the rest of the world really cares whether we get a great deal beyond those like Canada who would hope to leverage it into a better deal for themselves as well.

Instead our hopes are what exactly? A fair and comprehensive free trade deal with the US which is currently sticking tariffs on imports of steel from fellow NAFTA members because Trump had a bad week and fancied starting a fight?

Actually I have seen plenty of EU responses to this, they all pretty much say "where's the detail on what the UK is proposing?"

No.
Nice try at putting your own spin on things but no.
What I AM happy at is the EU being shown to be the intransigent, coercive, despotic, protectionist bunch of money-grabbing specimens that so many knew them to be.

So what about the USA?
If the EU want to turn it into a trade war over (basically) cheap Chinese steel that's another example of the above.

"Actually" .. yup & I'm willing to lay you odds on that those asking for more detail are all Europhiles.
I mean really, how much detail do you want?
That's what the negotiators are for.
If you want to talk about the nitty-gritty of quotas on bratwurst vs Cornish pasties or similar feel free, but expecting May (or any senior negotiator) to discuss such frippery is ridiculous.

You're just worried, aren't you?
That Brexit will not lead to the BRINO you want and thought you would get.

Rough_Justice

ilovehouses wrote: »

Remember! The vessel with the pestle has the pellet with the poison, the flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true.

Congratulations for what looks very much like the most utterly pointless post of the day.
Probably in the entire forum too.