Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

phillw

Tromking wrote: »

Yada yada!
You!!!8217;ve seen nothing yet, the current travails will be as nothing if Brexit doesn!!!8217;t happen or BRINO prevails.
Take yourself on an intellectual journey and ask yourself why the Palace of Westminster with a massive Remain majority is currently (for now at least) waiving Brexit through without a whimper.

Because of the internal conflict in the conservative party.

Do you think 17 million people will riot if we don't leave?

The 17 million vs 48 million in future elections doesn't sound like a huge issue either.

Labour would likely get in, which is another reason the Conservatives are running scared.

studentguy

Herzlos wrote: »

You have to admit that newspapers and associated websites are by far the largest source of news though?



That's my thought as well; they gave far more air time to Farage than they should have, considering he was a nobody, in an attempt to seem fair.

Yup, the party who are the most pro brexit, UKIP, got loads of coverage, often being on Question Time despite having 2 MPs... the most pro-remain party the Lib Dems however didn't get anywhere near the same amount of coverage, despite having more MPs, and a more established history.

I'm not shouting that the BBC was biased though, on the whole I think their coverage was pretty balanced, as they usually are about most things. I didn't watch the other channels so much so can't comment as much on those.

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

Palace of Westminster with a massive Remain majority is currently (for now at least) waiving Brexit through without a whimper.

Because May needs the vocal Brexiteers in tow to hold the party together and remain in power.

The reason we're getting this massive fudge is because she also needs to keep the Remainers in line too.

Herzlos

phillw wrote: »

Do you think 17 million people will riot if we don't leave?

Presumably the same ones will riot once we leave and a movement to rejoin the EU begins.

How many turned up at Parliament with Farage to ensure we left? He claimed 10's of thousands were coming, and IIRC it was under 100?

Rough_Justice

phillw wrote: »

We know they agreed to it, because there was a lot riding on them agreeing to it. However they seem to be saying that even though they agreed to it and they knew what the EU and Ireland thought was being agreed, they secretly had a different interpretation of what was being agreed. Like crossing your fingers when you make a promise.

You're getting that wrong.
Theresa May went to meet Jean Claude Juncker with proposals on 8th December 2017 and between them agreement was reached. It took both sides to agree. There is no "secret interpretation" other than that of the EU trying their damnedest to write into their draft that which was not agreed.
Try as you might you cannot alter agreements without the other side's approval and this is very clearly what has been attempted by the EU. An example is what happened in the UK's past with the Maastricht Treaty where the "rebels" efforts were not enough to stop John Major getting the treaty agreed in the UK which, you surely by now realise, lead to being a major cause of the vote to leave the EU. The UK would have been quite content to stick with the Common Market but not with the behemoth the EU has evolved into. It looks like Theresa May has learned from John Major's refusal to consider the wants of the people.

Rough_Justice

Herzlos wrote: »

Presumably the same ones will riot once we leave and a movement to rejoin the EU begins.

How many turned up at Parliament with Farage to ensure we left? He claimed 10's of thousands were coming, and IIRC it was under 100?

Provided any action is decided democratically there would be no need, it is the blatant disregard for democracy that rankles so many.

Rough_Justice

studentguy wrote: »

Yup, the party who are the most pro brexit, UKIP, got loads of coverage, often being on Question Time despite having 2 MPs... the most pro-remain party the Lib Dems however didn't get anywhere near the same amount of coverage, despite having more MPs, and a more established history.

I'm not shouting that the BBC was biased though, on the whole I think their coverage was pretty balanced, as they usually are about most things. I didn't watch the other channels so much so can't comment as much on those.

What a surprise, a remain supporter not seeing the BBC as pro-EU-biased! Well I never!

The Brussels Broadcasting Corporation?: How pro-Brexit views have been marginalised in the BBC’s news coverage

http://www.civitas.org.uk/publications/the-brussels-broadcasting-corporation/

http://www.civitas.org.uk/content/files/brusselsbroadcastingcorporation.pdf
https://biasedbbc.org/

Theophile

Herzlos wrote: »

Presumably the same ones will riot once we leave and a movement to rejoin the EU begins.

How many turned up at Parliament with Farage to ensure we left? He claimed 10's of thousands were coming, and IIRC it was under 100?

Photographs showed two OAP's with a placard, other sources said 'fewer than 100'.
Either way, it bodes well for Tromking's peoples revolt.

Rough_Justice

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

They've already made it ungovernable by trying to push through a Brextremist agenda that ignore the needs of the majority of the electorate who did not vote for Brexit.

Not that old chestnut again. You cannot count those that did not vote as wanting a specific outcome. If they had wanted a specific outcome they should have voted or otherwise made their wishes known before the referendum. After the vote is too late.

Rough_Justice

Theophile wrote: »

Photographs showed two OAP's with a placard, other sources said 'fewer than 100'.
Either way, it bodes well for Tromking's peoples revolt.

Hah! That must be why you are so vehemently pointing it out.