Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

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phillw wrote: »

Or it's another leaver lie....

Yeah, Theresa Mays issue with FOM and the ECJ etc is she wasn't allowed to deport people back to their home country to face torture or death. As long as she is allowed to do that, then I doubt she cares who arrives.

Of course she still won't be allowed to do that, we fortunately still have no say over some of our laws. Parliamentary sovereignty is a pretty rubbish runners up prize.

If they committed the crime in a specific country then they should be answerable to the laws in that country.

An extreme example would be:

Romanian criminals are exploiting a legal loophole to head to the UK before using human rights laws to prevent them from being sent home.

Offenders are given bail in their home country without having their passport cancelled, allowing them to travel to Britain under EU freedom of movement laws. They can then attempt to prevent their extradition to Romania by making claims under the European Convention of Human Rights over the size of jail cells at home.

The High Court blocked the extradition of two Romanian criminals in June on the ground that the cells in their home country!!!8217;s semi-open prisons were too small.

A smuggler had his prison sentence deferred by a judge in Romania so that he could attend a pigeon fanciers!!!8217; fair!!!8230;


Some countries in the eu need to pull their socks up rather than simply hope their people will run to another eu country before they are sentenced.

As far as I am concerned our prisons are far too soft. They were never meant as tools for rehabilitation in the first place, they should double the hardship and (for most) halve the sentence. Make it a true punishment that no-one would want to return to. That way anyone, including immigrants, would wish to avoid jail, and they certainly would not beg to be allowed to stay here.

Moby

cogito wrote: »

And how exactly is that relevant to the work of the security services?

The exchange of information re. security services etc takes place within a legal framework. While we are in the ECJ with other states such as France and Germany the ECJ covers those issues. When we leave the ECJ regulatory alignment will end i.e future law in the UK and countries we have a close information exchange relationship with will diverge creating major issues for fast and easy communication.

gfplux

Attention all trailer owners including caravans and camping trailers.

This is a copy and paste of the effect new regulations will have on the owners of the above. Frankly I think this regulation is very good news as it will ensure proper regulation.
I except that knowing nothing about trailers I am taking this piece at face value.

Quote:

1) All trailers - presumably inc Caravans - will need to be registered, with assoc fees.

2) And its the end of the road for towing a car on an A-frame even within in the UK appears nigh.

The Government "Haulage Permits and Trailer Registration Bill 2018" has now been published.
It intends that trailers must be registered in the UK (just as they already are in lots of other countries).
This is an extract:

"Trailer Registration.
Policy Background
42 The UK!!!8217;s proposed ratification of the 1968 Vienna Convention on Road Traffic (!!!8220;the 1968 Convention!!!8221;) will ensure that, after exit day, UK drivers will continue to be able to drive in all EU countries. A consequence of ratification is that unregistered trailers could be turned away at the borders of other countries who have ratified the 1968 Convention. Therefore, for operational reasons, a trailer registration scheme needs to be implemented.

43 The Bill, therefore, also enables the Secretary of State to introduce a trailer registration scheme. The powers under the Bill will enable: the registration of trailers (including issuing documents and administering the scheme !!!8211; e.g. changing keepers); registration marks (more commonly known as registration numbers) to be assigned and reassigned; fees to be charged for providing these services; and rules to be introduced regarding the carrying of registration documents and the formatting and placement of registration plates. Offences (summary only) may also be created by regulations.

Clause 12: Trailer registration

44 Clause 12 enables the Secretary of State, through regulations, to institute and maintain a register of trailers. These regulations may provide for mandatory or voluntary registration and additional provisions that may be required or relevant to operating the register (under subsection (2)). In particular, regulations may be made in relation to the form and contents of the register, the registration process and the transfer, surrender or destruction of registration documents. Further relevant provisions may also be made. This clause defines a trailer as anything on wheels which is intended or adapted to be pulled by a motor vehicle."

So it seems that a car (already registered as a car of course) won't any longer be able to be towed on UK roads as a trailer because it can't be registered as a "trailer"..........
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Moby

Rough_Justice wrote: »

I do hope you explained the first sentence there to Theo. My post was a direct response to his use of the Express after all; I merely added to his usage.


Do you think then that educated people would not read as wide a range of material as possible to aid understanding?
How facile.
We're obviously returning to the tedium of "all Brexiters are old and thick" argument that has been debunked so many times.
Is it a sign that there is now no other valid argument against Brexit?

I don't consider that the Express prints material that aids understanding. Neither would anyone who is reasonably intelligent.

Moby

Our future is so depressing:-
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/17/brexit-uk-thousands-customs-netherlands

The Dutch government plans to hire at least 750 new customs agents in preparation for Britains exit from the European Union.

The Dutch parliaments Brexit rapporteur, Pieter Omtzigt, who had recommended the move, said both sides of the English Channel had been slow to wake up to the reality that Britain was on course to leave the EU in 14 months; time.

If we need hundreds of new customs and agricultural inspectors, the British are going to need thousands he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/16/business-leader-warns-may-against-harsh-immigration-policy

British companies are facing a recruitment crisis, with labour shortages hitting critical levels in some sectors, according to a business leader who has urged the government to produce details on a post-Brexit immigration system.

Adam Marshall, the director general of the British Chambers of Commerce, said the lack of candidates for some jobs was biting hard, and he warned ministers against bringing forward a draconian and damaging visa or work permit system.


Surveys by the BCC showed that nearly three-quarters of firms trying to recruit had been experiencing difficulties at or near the highest levels since [BCC] records began over 25 years ago

Herzlos

gfplux wrote: »

2) And its the end of the road for towing a car on an A-frame even within in the UK appears nigh.

So it seems that a car (already registered as a car of course) won't any longer be able to be towed on UK roads as a trailer because it can't be registered as a "trailer"..........
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I was under the impression a frame towing Was essentially illegal in most cases with small allowances for emergencies.

I'm all for trailer registration, especially if they get their own plates.
I wonder if there will be any checks for roadworthiness? That's my bigger concern based on some of the wrecks I've seen and used.

Herzlos

Moby wrote: »

I don't consider that the Express prints material that aids understanding. Neither would anyone who is reasonably intelligent.

It's also pretty painful to read. Where would you draw the line on reading other perspectives? Britain First Facebook pages?

Moby

Herzlos wrote: »

It's also pretty painful to read. Where would you draw the line on reading other perspectives? Britain First Facebook pages?

Exactly how anyone with common sense can post links from the Daily Express beggars belief!

cogito

Moby wrote: »

Exactly how anyone with common sense can post links from the Daily Express beggars belief!

Or the Guardian or the Indy.

vivatifosi

Moby wrote: »

Exactly how anyone with common sense can post links from the Daily Express beggars belief!

Not linked to Brexit, so apologies.

I do worry about the quality of debate going forward with the relentless march towards paywalls. We lost real access to the Times and FT a while back, the Telegraph has now all but gone though the Guardian hangs in there.

This is totally fair on the part of the newspapers who haemorrhage money to content aggregators and reflects the industry disruption that they face. But it will be awful if the only online content readily available is from the tabloids.