Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Rough_Justice

gfplux wrote: »

Can you stop shouting, thank you.

It's not me shouting, it's Auntie Beeb in this case. I just copy & paste so blame them.


And I will stop posting their shouting when you stop posting off-topic.

Rough_Justice

Moby wrote: »

The Express; :rotfl:As soon as you see that source you know the bottom of the sources barrel has been reached and you scroll on. There are only two criteria that correlate closely with how the UK population voted:

1. Age. The over 55s voted for Brexit by a large majority

2. Education. Those with little or no education voted massively to leave.

Do people think that profile fits most closely with a Guardian reader or an Express reader?;)

I do hope you explained the first sentence there to Theo. My post was a direct response to his use of the Express after all; I merely added to his usage.


Do you think then that educated people would not read as wide a range of material as possible to aid understanding?
How facile.
We're obviously returning to the tedium of "all Brexiters are old and thick" argument that has been debunked so many times.
Is it a sign that there is now no other valid argument against Brexit?

cogito

Arklight wrote: »

So just to summarise, you believe that youth crime has fallen in the UK because in 1973 some states in America allowed abortion that previously hadn’t.

Yes, that sounds very probable.

Did you get any O levels by the way?

You're really not very bright are you.

My education is none of your business but it would be enough to qualify me as a remain voter according to your myopic vision.

LHW99

The dictionary definition of uneducated is not having received an education.

Someone who has a degree is educated compared to someone who has been to evening classes. They are both educated compared to a school leaver with no qualifications.

Yes, but with regard to these two points:
Everyone (pretty much) since around 1900 has been "educated" according to your dictionary definition, the definition does not specifiy "educated" as relating to "having received further or higher education", merely as receiving "education".
Additionally, the dictionary definition does not mention "qualifications". Receiving an education is not synonymous with "getting qualifications" although it has increasingly been seen as equivalent since at least the 1980's. In fact I would argue that many qualifications are not in fact a sign of a person's attained level of "education". A truly educated person, IMO will undoubtedly have received formal education, may have achieved a number of qualifications (but may not), but would also have a range of other non-verbal / non-measurable skills such as common sense, the ability to consider long- as well as short-term issues, and an ability to learn now skills or concepts through experience rather than purely in a classroom. That kind of education tends to increase with age, which may be why the proportion voting for Brexit also increased steadily with age,

Rough_Justice

Theophile wrote: »

Compulsory education yes, but failing.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-33993/Britain-worst-schools-Europe.html

It's not a coincidence that the country with the lowest literacy levels in the EU is the country that voted to leave it.

Crikey, how old is that Theo? It talks about figures from 1994 to 1998!
:rotfl:
Compared globally no, the UK isn't exactly amazingly brilliant - but can you really see such a change in behaviour that UK schoolkids will voluntarily do a few hours extra tutoring after school AND on weekends as in for example South Korea?

Regardless, here's a more up-to-date report for you:

Of 72 participating countries, the UK has been ranked in 15th place for performance in science, reading and mathematics overall – beating other consistent performers Germany, the Netherlands and Switzerland.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/pisa-oecd-rankings-uk-schools-falling-behind-leading-countries-global-international-singapore-a7458751.html

As you will read yes, the UK could do better but education in the UK isn't anything like as bad as you tried to make out it was.

Rough_Justice

cogito wrote: »

You're really not very bright are you.

My education is none of your business but it would be enough to qualify me as a remain voter according to your myopic vision.

It's weird isn't it how so many of these highly-paid, well-educated remainers find so much time throughout every day it seems to post their remain propaganda.
:whistle:

Me; I gotta return to my work now. Supposedly due to my age and education I should be a remainer so yet another indication of what a load of twaddle the supposed correlation between education, age and voting really is.

Theophile

Back on topic.

Layoffs Arrive in Brexit Britain, and Auto Workers Are Up First

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-16/layoffs-arrive-in-brexit-britain-and-auto-workers-are-up-first

“Why would Nissan continue to invest in the north east when it’s got a plant in Spain where it can build the same car without a 10 percent tariff?”

Why indeed.

Richard_Overton_2911

Theophile wrote: »

Back on topic.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-16/layoffs-arrive-in-brexit-britain-and-auto-workers-are-up-first

Why indeed.

Reminds me of some of the previous redundancies such as the 1,500+ workers at the Southampton Ford engine factory back in 2013. When the EU gave Ford a low interest rate loan to refurbish a factory in Turkey (non EU) and then Ford closed the UK plant..

So your point is what exactly ,other than if we leave jobs may go and if we stay jobs may go well No sh*t Sherlock..

Theophile

Richard_Overton_2911 wrote: »

Reminds me of some of the previous redundancies such as the 1,500+ workers at the Southampton Ford engine factory back in 2013. When the EU gave Ford a low interest rate loan to refurbish a factory in Turkey (non EU) and then Ford closed the UK plant..

So your point is what exactly ,other than if we leave jobs may go and if we stay jobs may go well No sh*t Sherlock..

You do know Turkey is in a customs union with the EU, don't you?
Read the article before trying to have a go.

Theophile

Visit a car manufacturing plant and talk to their supply chain peeps and you'll know there are 2 options. We either remain in the customs union or wave goodbye to our car industry.