Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Herzlos

GreatApe wrote: »

What happens to EU imports once we are outside the EU?
Let's say we get a trade deal very similar to now.
Can the UK then agree a free trade deal with say America and or China?

I've no idea what'll happen if we have overlapping free trade deals - the EU will not allow anything that allows us to act as a back door to the EU. For instance, they wouldn't let us import something from China that isn't EU standards compliant, and the move it to the EU. It'd still be regarded as a Chinese source and need to go via the appropriate customs channels.
I don't know if the EU would prevent us doing something, or would just have more 'origin' based checks.

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

And you accuse others of being delusional. The EU wouldn't give Cameron a crumb from the table.

And why would they? They've given us more opt-outs, rebates and exclusions than anyone else.

We still had a veto and still had the option of suggesting things in parliament. We didn't use that, and have now given it up.

westernpromise

ilovehouses wrote: »

It's only on forums like this where the majority pretend to be concerned about the direction of the EU.

What others are there?

Maybe Leavers say this because they're sincere. If you start out by imputing bad faith to those who disagree with you there's no point debating with them because you think they're just liars. By your own lights you're wasting your time.

The main move towards integration that in my recollection ended catastrophically badly was the ERM. This staggeringly foolish attempt to fix our exchange rate in perpetuity prolonged excessive interest rates by about three years, during which time people lost their jobs, homes, and businesses. Within 10 years of exit we had people who'd learned nothing arguing that we should ditch the £; and we now see howe well that worked for, say, Greece.

Others will certainly have different, calibrating, experiences of how good an idea EU integration is. I'm quite happy to be able to employ a Polish cleaner for £9 an hour, but that's because I'm a buyer of the services EU immigrants provide; if I were selling them, I'd feel differently.

StevieJ

Not sure how this will go down with your average Brexiteer?

Barclays Plc Chief Executive Officer Jes Staley called on U.K. Prime Minister Theresa May to cut taxes and relax regulations on British banks after Brexit, according to a person familiar with his comment

One of the EU rules that has chafed on lenders and British regulators alike is the post-2014 limit on bonuses to twice fixed pay. Bank of England Governor Mark Carney said in November that the U.K. could review the cap after Brexit.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-11/barclays-ceo-is-said-to-urge-u-k-s-may-to-cut-taxes-post-brexit

System

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

The great thing about your position is that no amount of evidence showing you that that Leave voters were not solely motivated by immigration can undermine your prejudice. You will just say, yes they said sovereignty (etc) but what they really meant was immigration.

And they call Leavers bigoted.

I didn't suggest that was their sole motivation but it was the primary motivation by some margin.

It's not prejudice either - the evidence supports my assertion.

http://www.bsa.natcen.ac.uk/latest-report/british-social-attitudes-34/key-findings/brexit-and-immigration-a-country-divided.aspx

People’s level of trust in government at most played only a minor role in influencing how they voted. Instead, the result reflected the concerns of
older, more ‘authoritarian’ or social conservative voters who were particularly worried about immigration. Any suggestion that immigration was not at the heart of this vote runs counter to what we have found.

Were you out of the country or something in the months leading up to the referendum?

System

westernpromise wrote: »

Maybe Leavers say this because they're sincere. If you start out by imputing bad faith to those who disagree with you there's no point debating with them because you think they're just liars. By your own lights you're wasting your time.

In the real world (not on here) I didn't have one conversation where immigration wasn't the start and end of any conversation about brexit. The usual suspects will jump on this and say they keep much better company and, in their set, the 'beltway' issues of parliamentary sovereignty were hotly debated at the dinner parties they attend. Yes I think they're not being truthful and, in many cases, aren't even being honest with themselves.

I'm not wasting my time - we all post here because we enjoy it. Surely nobody does this because they think they're going to change anyone else's mind?

Herzlos

We're going to see all sorts of regulation and tax cuts once we've left; it's what the Tories do, and lots of things were restricted by EU membership.

Andy_L

Herzlos wrote: »

We're going to see all sorts of regulation and tax cuts once we've left; it's what the Tories do, and lots of things were restricted by EU membership.

I for one welcome the return of lead-based paint and asbestos roofing post-brexit

Herzlos

Andy_L wrote: »

I for one welcome the return of lead-based paint and asbestos roofing post-brexit

Not needing to pay a fortune to dump my old asbestos garage roof might be the only positive of this whole mess

westernpromise

Herzlos wrote: »

We're going to see all sorts of regulation and tax cuts once we've left; it's what the Tories do, and lots of things were restricted by EU membership.

Can you give an example of any reduction in regulation since say 2015? Or indeed 2010?