Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Thrugelmir

ilovehouses wrote: »

As far as the approach to brexit is concerned they've been far more united than some here suggested too.

Why wouldn't they be united. Looking for an angle where none exists. As far as Brexit is concerned. Totally different to matters that are of National interest to individual states.

LHW99

Just seen an interview with a relative explaining that their loved one was having a stroke in the ambulance outside A&E and was not seen for 5 hours.

I would not argue that the problems in the NHS are severe. However, my late mother had a stroke mid-2009, and when the doctor came, she was told she couldn't have an ambulance as there were no beds in the hospital. She remained at home for 24 hours, until it was finally agreed she did need treatment, and sadly lingered for another 9 months. You note this was before even the coalition, never mind Cameron / May.

Thrugelmir

ilovehouses wrote: »

Could it be the UK is a great place to live?

Not sure what it's got to do with Tracey's made up concerns about democracy though.

The two go hand in hand.

BobQ

Tromking wrote: »

https://youtu.be/qoWj4cE5TIY

I think John Humphrys does a pretty good job here of exposing the dangers for the country and indeed the Labour Party if the “right to think again” brigade led by Blair manage to circumvent the will of the people as expressed in the referendum.

He does a good job of debating that with Blair agreed, but he fails to deal with the argument behind Blair's paper. You can always tell when Humphreys is losing the debate, he keeps interrupting and does not listen to the interviewee and eventually talks over them.

kabayiri

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Well we currently live in an undemocratic UK with an unelected House of Lords, under a hereditary head of State, and are being ruled by a PM who can't command a majority and desperately clung onto power only by throwing a £1.5 BILLION bung of taxpayer money to a bunch of right wing extremists.
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...which gave millions of Scots a chance to leave. I'd call that democratic.

PLUS...if you had chosen to Leave the Union I doubt the UK government would have wanted you to fail, in contrast to the EU position.

Thrugelmir

BobQ wrote: »

You can always tell when Humphreys is losing the debate, he keeps interrupting and does not listen to the interviewee and eventually talks over them.

If you don't interrupt a politician they will simply reel off their preprepared spiel......Blair after all is a well rehearsed speaker.

kabayiri

I don't recall Tony B being that vociferous during the referendum campaign.

Surely, a political man like him would know that timing is important in politics.

Seems not

BobQ

kabayiri wrote: »

I don't recall Tony B being that vociferous during the referendum campaign.

Surely, a political man like him would know that timing is important in politics.

Seems not

I suspect that he realised that any statements by him would bring the anti-war brigade out in force and encourage support for the opposite of what he said. Now there is little to lose:)

posh*spice

LHW99 wrote: »

I would not argue that the problems in the NHS are severe. However, my late mother had a stroke mid-2009, and when the doctor came, she was told she couldn't have an ambulance as there were no beds in the hospital. She remained at home for 24 hours, until it was finally agreed she did need treatment, and sadly lingered for another 9 months. You note this was before even the coalition, never mind Cameron / May.

My FIL died of a curable (and missed) disease 26 years ago thst should have been picked up.

My mother had carp cancer care and died - that was twenty years ago.

My father was told he had gall stones- he was having a heart attack and was sent home where he died that night. That was 5 years ago.

My in laws have just paid £10k for a knee op for their mum as the wait was too long, why wouldn't they - I know people who've spent £000s keeping their pets alive.

The NHS is the best health care system in the world - that is official - except for health outcomes- truth.


Buy youself some health insurance- you would for your dogs and cats.

BobQ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

If you don't interrupt a politician they will simply reel off their preprepared spiel......Blair after all is a well rehearsed speaker.

An element of truth in that! But I find that often interviewers and (Gove's friend in particular) interrupt to detract from what is being said. There is a balance to be struck when a politician is just reading his brief, but most people tune in to listen to the interviewee not the interviewer.