Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

antrobus

Moby wrote: »

...By contrast democracies with models where capitalism is much more controlled by the state like Scandinavia, Canada and Germany seem to be much more cohesive.

In what way?

I fear you are misinformed if you think that capitalism is "much more controlled" by (say) the German state. Or anything in Scandinavia for that matter. Not much sign of any control in Iceland in recent years either. (Depending on whether you view Iceland as part of Scandinavia or not.)

And how is Germany "much more cohesive" with the AfD in the Bundestag?

mrginge

Moby wrote: »

Pensions are triple locked by a Govmt that knows older people vote in higher numbers than the young. I hope young people now find their voice and change things because there is no balance imo!

Why did those young people vote labour if they didnt like the triple lock?

ukcarper

Moby wrote: »

Like you I think I'm one of them and there are issues such as low interest rates and the increased pension age but overall I think the next generation following us will be the first that's poorer than their parents. I had university education paid for by the taxpayer and at least a chance of buying a property without saddling myself with a lifetime of debt. Pensions are triple locked by a Govmt that knows older people vote in higher numbers than the young. I hope young people now find their voice and change things because there is no balance imo!

You were very lucky to get a free university education, my children are already doing better than I was at their age we wil just have to see how my Grandchildren fair. I accept house prices are a big problem especially in London and the south east but I don’t see that being of big benefit to most boomers. The only policies I see that directly benefit the old are the triple lock, bus passes and winterfuel payment and as far as I’m aware Corbyn says he going to protect those.

phillw

kabayiri wrote: »

I always said FOM was a crock, so I voted against it. Call me selfish, sure. It won't make a difference to me.

It's not being selfish that is the problem, it's when you have to keep up believing you made the right choice in the face of evidence to the contrary. I really don't want to be funding your mental health treatment.

And yeah, that is selfish.

Tromking

phillw wrote: »

It's not being selfish that is the problem, it's when you have to keep up believing you made the right choice in the face of evidence to the contrary. I really don't want to be funding your mental health treatment.

And yeah, that is selfish.

It’s tempting to ask what evidence to the contrary, but I think it perhaps more important to flag up the more worrying contention from you that those with a contrary view on Brexit are suffering from mental illness.
Be ashamed, very ashamed.

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Because it remains a sound and stable place to do business on the global stage. While not newsworthy there are plenty of people who simply get on with life everyday. Simply taking events in their stride.

The effect on Quebec has been happening in small ways over many years.
In a few years the decision to open an office/distribution/factory in the UK will be argued against in boardrooms around the world “because they are outside the EU”
It’s just how those decisions are made. Yes the draw of Knightsbridge shopping will still be important to the CEO’s wife or husband but now there will be a further reason against the UK.

System

Rough_Justice wrote: »

If you disagree perhaps you could show me where there is a single parliamentary seat in the UK held by a far-right party?

I do disagree and don't need to show you a far right MP as evidence.

The establishment had, by chance, agreed a referendum to be conducted just as a populist wave swept the Western world. Brexit was the outlet in the UK rather than voting for the nutters of UKIP.

Instead of the faux hand-wringing about the increase in far right votes across Europe you should be counting your blessings. Without that wave of populism you might well not have got your brexit.

A few far-right MPs in Europe a small price to pay? After all they'll be voted out next time and brexit is forever.

Tromking

ilovehouses wrote: »

I do disagree and don't need to show you a far right MP as evidence.

The establishment had, by chance, agreed a referendum to be conducted just as a populist wave swept the Western world. Brexit was the outlet in the UK rather than voting for the nutters of UKIP.

Instead of the faux hand-wringing about the increase in far right votes across Europe you should be counting your blessings. Without that wave of populism you might well not have got your brexit.

A few far-right MPs in Europe a small price to pay? After all they'll be voted out next time and brexit is forever.

An inconvenient truth perhaps that has mainland Europe embracing nationalism and far right politics again. The only hand wringers are those who would describe 90 odd newly elected fascists in the Bundestag as “a few far right MP’s”.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

In a few years the decision to open an office/distribution/factory in the UK will be argued against in boardrooms around the world “because they are outside the EU”

That's a commercial decision though. I'd prefer that the company concerned was British and not America/French/German or Japanese owned. Given the size of the UK market being inside it is cheaper than being outside. Nissan are already looking at sourcing more parts from UK suppliers. As opposed to importing them. Brexit has positive as well as negative impacts.

wunferall

Tromking wrote: »

An inconvenient truth perhaps that has mainland Europe embracing nationalism and far right politics again. The only hand wringers are those who would describe 90 odd newly elected fascists in the Bundestag as “a few far right MP’s”.

Or the FPO's 40 seats in the Austrian parliament out of a total of 183.
The Dutch PVV then with - at 20 seats - second place in their recent elections.

If we look at right-wing nationalism as well the numbers are actually far higher, for example in
Poland whose PiS are increasing their lead according to polls - and that despite the EU sanctioning Poland over a number of things. 235 seats out of 460 as it stands now but likely to increase by the next elections, due 2019.
Should we mention Denmark's DPP or Hungary's Fidesz?
And as we all know, there are many more.

Comparing any of these to parties holding parliamentary seats here in the UK is little short of ridiculous, frankly and to attempt describing them as " a few far right M.P.'s" who will "be voted out next time" is little short of delusional when all the evidence so far suggests that they will in fact gain seats.

BTW, that's why Merkel is so desperately trying to get a coalition together. If another election takes place in Germany current opinion suggests that the far right AfD would in fact make further gains.