Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

phillw

Tromking wrote: »

It’s tempting to ask what evidence to the contrary

it's happening around you.

Tromking wrote: »

Be ashamed, very ashamed.

No, I didn't vote to leave. I have nothing to be ashamed of. Harvey Weinstein didn't think he was doing anything wrong either, leave voters are just as bad.

wunferall

phillw wrote: »

It's not being selfish that is the problem, it's when you have to keep up believing you made the right choice in the face of evidence to the contrary.

Like record employment and low unemployment, you mean?
Or like record manufacturing and increasing exports?
How about a reducing deficit?
Record inward investment?
Continuing steady growth - despite being told we would be in recession by now?
Heck, people are even happier.

That's your "evidence".
Hence it seems that it is you that insists upon believing contrary.

Your repugnant suggestions re: mental health have been covered and need no further comment, other than perhaps by way of explanation for the apparent poor grasp of reality.

Tromking

phillw wrote: »

it's happening around you.


No, I didn't vote to leave. I have nothing to be ashamed of. Harvey Weinstein didn't think he was doing anything wrong either, leave voters are just as bad.

So now according to your twisted logic, leave voters are akin to predatory sex pests and alleged rapists?
I think we’ve got used since the referendum to aggrieved remain voters lashing out in anger and spouting drivel, your comments are a new low in my experience.
BTW, what’s happening around me that I need to worry about?

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

That's a commercial decision though. I'd prefer that the company concerned was British and not America/French/German or Japanese owned. Given the size of the UK market being inside it is cheaper than being outside. Nissan are already looking at sourcing more parts from UK suppliers. As opposed to importing them. Brexit has positive as well as negative impacts.

Nissan are just protecting their investment. I certainly hope that they are successful in sourcing as many parts as possible in the UK. This will have a positive effect although perhaps not on the bottom line due to lack of economy of scale.
However will Nissan invest the “big” money in tooling up for a new model. That in my opinion is not likely but that will depend on the trade deal between Britain and the EU.
There are powerful forces at work to delay a deal (no deal is better than a bad deal, or let’s just walk away) which can only play into the hands of Country’s looking for Nissan, BMW, etc etc investments in new models and plants.

gfplux

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/29/lord-adonis-quits-as-theresa-may-infrastructure-tsar-over-brexit?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

The full text of the letter is in the Guardian article, but

“In his resignation letter, reported by the Sun and the Daily Telegraph, he told the prime minister: “Brexit is a dangerous populist and nationalist spasm worthy of Donald Trump.
“After the narrow referendum vote for an undefined proposition to ‘leave the EU’, it could have been attempted without rupturing our essential European trade and political relations.
“However, by becoming the voice of Ukip and the extreme nationalist right wing of your party, you have taken a different course, for which you have no parliamentary or popular mandate.””

Tromking

gfplux wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/29/lord-adonis-quits-as-theresa-may-infrastructure-tsar-over-brexit?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

The full text of the letter is in the Guardian article, but

“In his resignation letter, reported by the Sun and the Daily Telegraph, he told the prime minister: “Brexit is a dangerous populist and nationalist spasm worthy of Donald Trump.
“After the narrow referendum vote for an undefined proposition to ‘leave the EU’, it could have been attempted without rupturing our essential European trade and political relations.
“However, by becoming the voice of Ukip and the extreme nationalist right wing of your party, you have taken a different course, for which you have no parliamentary or popular mandate.””

Jumped before he was pushed apparently.
The irony of his Lordship complaining about no parliamentary or popular mandate is not lost on some of us. He as also vowed to fight Brexit from the unelected HoL.

kabayiri

phillw wrote: »

It's not being selfish that is the problem, it's when you have to keep up believing you made the right choice in the face of evidence to the contrary. I really don't want to be funding your mental health treatment.

And yeah, that is selfish.

I don't have to believe the right choice was made, because right now we just can't know. That's the truth.

I made the best choice I could, and I accept the consequences of that. If Remain had won I would have done the same.

I'm afraid you are stuck with funding the mental health treatment of everyone who needs it, like any tax payer.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

There are powerful forces at work to delay a deal (no deal is better than a bad deal, or let’s just walk away) which can only play into the hands of Country’s looking for Nissan, BMW, etc etc investments in new models and plants.

Over capacity is more likely to hit the main manufacturers. Thereby limiting investment. Other than to consolidate existing facilities.

buglawton

wunferall wrote: »

Or the FPO's 40 seats in the Austrian parliament out of a total of 183.
The Dutch PVV then with - at 20 seats - second place in their recent elections.

If we look at right-wing nationalism as well the numbers are actually far higher, for example in
Poland whose PiS are increasing their lead according to polls - and that despite the EU sanctioning Poland over a number of things. 235 seats out of 460 as it stands now but likely to increase by the next elections, due 2019.
Should we mention Denmark's DPP or Hungary's Fidesz?
And as we all know, there are many more.

Comparing any of these to parties holding parliamentary seats here in the UK is little short of ridiculous, frankly and to attempt describing them as " a few far right M.P.'s" who will "be voted out next time" is little short of delusional when all the evidence so far suggests that they will in fact gain seats.

BTW, that's why Merkel is so desperately trying to get a coalition together. If another election takes place in Germany current opinion suggests that the far right AfD would in fact make further gains.

Echoing what I said in a much earlier post so here, here!
By comparison the UK is a paragon of stability and cohesion, having allowed its electorate to let off its popularist steam via the Brexit vote. Hence we have no nationalist MPs in Parliament currently. No wonder people from every corner of the globe want to park their capital here.

Tromking

Interesting to hear the record ftse 100 close tonight being described by the BBC as not a barometer on the U.K. economy per se but more of a verdict on the booming worldwide economy. Any one here care to explain that to me, it sounds counter intuitive.