Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

CKhalvashi

mrginge wrote: »

All the big pals ganging up on setmefree2 for posting stuff you don't like.
I think it's bullying personally.

Sorry, I haven't ganged up on anyone, simply highlighted my view on the point originally being made. I even went further than that in saying it's fine to post links IMO as long as they're summarised when doing so.

Naturally though, as I'm never right (remember my 'fantasy' about the Tories losing their majority that would never come to light), I must be wrong again.

I welcome a range of views as the more we can see something from someone else's perspective, the more depth it gives to our own. It doesn't mean I have to agree with them, just that I'll happily take them on board if I feel they're relevant to the situation.

gfplux

ukcarper wrote: »

From what I can tell the only thing the EU are prepared to accept is total capitulation.

What do you imagine total capitulation looks like.

gfplux

ukcarper wrote: »

There were some quite big concessions in that speech but EU haven't budged, it's no good you talking about traded deals the EU won't discuss them until we agree to there demands.

What were those "quite big concessions"
I heard her say that Britain would pay what it had committed to pay. If that is all after months of negotiations please tell me what else she conceded?

mrginge

its all very easy to make excuses for online victimisation or to turn it into a little joke, but at the end of the day you refuse to use the ignore factility so that you can continually attack a member for their posting method.

gfplux

Conrad wrote: »

It's time to fully prepare for WTO, the system huge amounts of trade are done under perfectly well.

The Spanish will soon want to get talks going if they see us in talks with the Israelis, S Africans and Moroccans for fresh produce which we can remove all tariffs on. Core exporters to the UK would indeed be banging down the doors of Govt.

Let's take all money off the table after March 2019 and see how Barnier and Merkel sweat.
Let's intimate we will agree with Trump and insist all EU nations pay 2% to NATO.

Remember Remain said our leaving could cause a global recession. If true, why would the EU want to take the chance of a hard Brexit?

May and Davis are too placatory, stroking the Emperors ring finger won't cut it.

Brexiters should stop saying Britain can jump off a cliff and not get hurt.

gfplux

mayonnaise wrote: »

No I don't remember that.
Recession in the UK, yes.
Not global.
We're not that important.

What I do remember though is your lot predicting the EU would be falling over themselves to offer us the best ever deal. What happened to that?

You have forgotten to mention that the EU needs Britain more than Britain needs the EU. Lol.

gfplux

economic wrote: »

its pretty simple. if the EU dont play ball we exit the hard way, dont pay them anything and can freely negotiate trade deals with other countries. watch how germans economy collapses as we currently import 5bn eur of goods from them net. then they will coming begging to us.

Why do you keep repeating that jumping off a cliff will not hurt Britain.

gfplux

economic wrote: »

its because germany and france want to make an example of us so no other country dare try to leave the EU.

trade deals dont have to take a long time, at least they dont have to cause chaos short term. things can be done smoothly.

If that was so obvious why wasn't this factored into the negotiations at the beginning or is it part of the clever plan to insult the EU so Britain gets a better deal.

Trade deals do take a long time to bring to conclusion. Apparently average about 5 to 7 years. The only people who have said they are easy and simple have been British politicians who also said that negotiating a leave deal with the EU would also be easy and simple.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

ukcarper wrote: »

There were some quite big concessions in that speech but EU haven't budged,.

Eh?

It's not a 'big concession' when you agree to pay a fraction of what you owe...

We'll need to pay a few tens of billions to cover the divorce settlement - then another 10 billion a year or so for the transitional agreement.

Once we've agreed that then we can talk about future relationships.

But again - there will be no Europe a la carte - fantasies of having cake and eating it are as delusional today as they ever were. And rightly so.

We can choose from a number of options that are on the table - EEA/EFTA - Swiss style series of 100 plus bilateral treaties - some newly renamed copy of the above that lets the Tories save face - etc - but those will involve complying with the rules and regs for single market access, paying our dues, and accepting a third party arbiter for dispute resolution.

Or we can plummet off the cliff and crash onto WTO terms, wiping out most of our agriculture and manufacturing industries, along with many others, in the process.

The only people stalling progress here are the UK govt by continuing to bicker and fight with each other and refusing to accept reality.

System

mrginge wrote: »

its all very easy to make excuses for online victimisation or to turn it into a little joke, but at the end of the day you refuse to use the ignore factility so that you can continually attack a member for their posting method.

Do you think it's weird that every "leaver" agrees with you and every "remainer" doesn't?

It's almost like petty point scoring.