Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Arklight

ukcarper wrote: »

You continually amaze me with the contempt you show for people who don’t agree with you it’s shows a misplaced arrogance.

Well buckle up, because it's only going to get worse.

Eric_the_half_a_bee

Arklight wrote: »

Well buckle up, because it's only going to get worse.

You're going to end up like a Japanese soldier living in the jungle, not realising that the war ended 20 years ago.

cogito

Arklight wrote: »

Well, 348,214.84 of the Leavers have died of old age since the referendum, so it's getting a lot closer than you think.

And since the vote, more than 1000000 remainers have realised what a corrupt, undemocratic, bullying organisation the EU is.

Tammykitty

gfplux wrote: »

Amazing numbers quoted in the Irish time.
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"The Republic’s economy is four times larger, generated by a work force that is only two and a half times bigger. The Republic’s industrial output is today 10 times that of the North. Exports from the Republic are 17 times greater than those from Northern Ireland, and average income per head in the Republic, at €39,873, dwarfs the €23,700 across the Border.
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Are those numbers correct, if so WOW!
https://www.irishtimes.com/northern-ireland-and-the-tripadvisor-index-of-economic-vibrancy-1.3311077?mode=amp

Thrugelmir wrote: »

From the article.



Was in Kilkenny in September. Kilkenny is a tourist desination (over whelmingly American) situated on the Ring of Kerry. Full of accomodation.

The article has a distinct slant to it. There's plenty of Eire which isn't benefiting from the Dublin effect. Very rural. Very poor. Very dependent on tourism.

That's the problem of living where you do. Easy to forget that many aren't benefitting from the boom. Yesterday was up in Sunderland. Makes you realise how tough life is for many.

Kilkenny and Armagh aren't really comparable, as Kilkenny has a lot of tourists and also has a reputation for being a lively town for bars etc, and many stag and hen parties, therefore can support the bars and restaurants.


Armagh, on the otherhand, is small, and only 20 miles from Newry (Which was designated a city in 2002), and Newry would have lot more shops, restaurants etc.


The economy in the North, is definitely poor in relation to the South, the south has been able to build a tourist industry, whereas the North was a no go area for tourists for many years, and it is definitely a growing industry in many parts of the north now. The low corporation tax in the south also attracts the multinationals.


Comparing Derry (NI) and Limerick (RoI) (both similar sized cities) or Ballymena (NI) and Navan (RoI) (similar sized towns) and the results are probably much more equal.


A Brexit, with special status for Northern Ireland, could do wonders for the NI Economy, and I hope it happens.


The legacy if the troubles and a non functioning assembly holds NI back, If I owned a multinational business and wanted to base it on the Island of Ireland, I would make my base in the South.

Arklight

cogito wrote: »

And since the vote, more than 1000000 remainers have realised what a corrupt, undemocratic, bullying organisation the EU is.

In contrast to the fantastically reasonable, well reasoned, not in any way xenophobic, and good with figures, Leave camp.

Arklight

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

You're going to end up like a Japanese soldier living in the jungle, not realising that the war ended 20 years ago.

The war has just begun Half Bee Eric.


The war for rationality, reason, inclusiveness. For the our children having a future where they are global citizens, rather than smock wearing country mice waving their pitchforks fearfully at the Channel and wondering if the latest monkey to be washed up is a Frenchman.


You might think this war is decided but you are very wrong.

mayonnaise

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

Meanwhile, the only score that really matters is:

Remainers 16,141,241. Leavers 17,410,742

Yes yes, we realise 'Leave' won that legally non-binding, advisory referendum some time last year.
But as our Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union points out:

“If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy”.

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

And since the vote, more than 1000000 remainers have realised what a corrupt, undemocratic, bullying organisation the EU is.

Only one of the numbers is based on something and credible, and it ain't yours.

mayonnaise

“Basically, the British government would commit to maintain the full alignment of single market and customs union legislation that might potentially create a border.”

Basically, that's NI in the single market and customs union then.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ireland-border-deal-uk-latest-updates-brexit-eu-withdrawal-dup-dublin-republic-a8090766.html

Is this what Brexiteers meant with taking control of our borders?

Rinoa

mayonnaise wrote: »

Basically, that's NI in the single market and customs union then.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ireland-border-deal-uk-latest-updates-brexit-eu-withdrawal-dup-dublin-republic-a8090766.html

Is this what Brexiteers meant with taking control of our borders?

Not according to Arlene Foster a few minutes ago.

We have been very clear: Northern Ireland must leave the European Union on the same terms as the rest of the United Kingdom and we will not accept any form of regulatory divergence which separate Northern Ireland economically or politically from the rest of the UK. And the economic and constitutional integrity of the United Kingdom must not be compromised in any way.

And Her Majesty’s government understands the position of this party. The prime minister has told the House of Commons that there will be no border in the Irish Sea. And the prime minister has been clear that the UK is leaving the European Union as a whole, that the territorial and economic integrity of the United Kingdom will be protected.