Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Rough_Justice

Herzlos wrote: »

Will brexiteers be happy taking back control of their borders by leaving our biggest land border wide open? What about all those migrants that can cross?

Still trying to infer that Brexit was all about migration and ignoring the myriad other reasons that the people of Britain voted to leave the UK I see.

Well we don't see either illegals or EU entrants coming via Ireland in any numbers, for a variety of reasons - unless you have statistics proving otherwise of course. There's more sea between Ireland and mainland Europe than there is between say Dover and Calais, you know.

But in your dream world if as you imagine they do in future it's easy, we do what the EU does with it's member countries like Greece and Italy when they receive migrants.
In other words make NI either keep them or return them to Ireland who, since they are insisting upon a border, will know that they have allowed them to leave their country.

posh*spice

vivatifosi wrote: »

With the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, the Tories really shouldn't have called the election and put themselves in such a ludicrous position. But can I see the government fall? Potentially yes. I hope it doesn't happen, but it could.

I think that when the chips are down, the DUP will choose a situation that keeps N Ireland part of the UK over anything to do with party politics. If the UK looks for a fudge involving a border in the Irish Sea, that would be like an existential crisis to the DUP, which is why I think at that point the alliance would fall. It's asking too much of them. Way above asking the Lib Dems to approve a change to tuition fees. But look what that did to them.

The Tories will ONLY choose a situation thst keeps NI part of theUK - they are the Conservative and UNIONISTS party. The Tories will never EVER go for a fudge on NI. They are in total agreement with the DUP.

posh*spice

Apparently Corbyn is up for a second referendum......

Herzlos

Rough_Justice wrote: »

Still trying to infer that Brexit was all about migration and ignoring the myriad other reasons that the people of Britain voted to leave the UK I see.

Well we don't see either illegals or EU entrants coming via Ireland in any numbers, for a variety of reasons - unless you have statistics proving otherwise of course. There's more sea between Ireland and mainland Europe than there is between say Dover and Calais, you know.

But in your dream world if as you imagine they do in future it's easy, we do what the EU does with it's member countries like Greece and Italy when they receive migrants.
In other words make NI either keep them or return them to Ireland who, since they are insisting upon a border, will know that they have allowed them to leave their country.

I didn't say it was all about migration but I'd argue it's the biggest factor.

Plus, if we stop freedom of movement then everyone from mainland Europe would be an illegal immigrant if they came to the uk without clearance. People who can legally fly to Dublin and get a bus over the border.

Filo25

Obviously only one poll but if opposition to a second referendum is softening Corbyn may be feeling pressure from certain parts of the Labour party not to rule one out.

gfplux

posh*spice wrote: »

Nobody can stop us going to WTO - it's the default position- it's what happens when there is no deal. Ditto, Nobody can make the uk create a hard border.

If there is no movement to trade talks soon the UK AND the EU MUST prepare for no deal and the EU must prepare for getting no money from the UK.

Just to correct the last line. The EU would have to prepare to take the UK to court to get the money. It might be a long process and both sides will not be happy with the figure at the end, BUT when the fat lady sings the courts are likely to come down on the side of the EU.

gfplux

Those who keep posting links to news from the EU26 are just going off topic and taking their eye of the ball.
The present focus should be on the Irish border and wether sufficient progress has been made on the first three key issues to move on to phase two.
That decision is only days away, what do the bookmakers say?

gfplux

Filo25 wrote: »

Obviously only one poll but if opposition to a second referendum is softening Corbyn may be feeling pressure from certain parts of the Labour party not to rule one out.

What were the % on what is the reason for paying a divorce bill (known more accurately as financial settlement)

Rinoa

gfplux wrote: »

Just to correct the last line. The EU would have to prepare to take the UK to court to get the money. It might be a long process and both sides will not be happy with the figure at the end, BUT when the fat lady sings the courts are likely to come down on the side of the EU.

Have you an authoritative source to substantiate that claim?

vivatifosi

gfplux wrote: »

Just to correct the last line. The EU would have to prepare to take the UK to court to get the money. It might be a long process and both sides will not be happy with the figure at the end, BUT when the fat lady sings the courts are likely to come down on the side of the EU.

If the UK falls out of the EU without a deal and doesn't pay the EU, what court will have the jurisdiction to make them pay?