Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

mrginge

ilovehouses wrote: »

It was always going to be the case give the vote demographic. 52% of the country handed 48% of the country a problem and told them to go and sort it.

Seems to me like this 48% must be incredibly thick since they were given a second shot a few months back.

Perhaps they are all so stupid that they decide to not bother voting second time around. Maybe they were so !!!!!! that they voted for leave parties despite their desperation to reverse things. Could all have been done and dusted by now if they’d got off their lazy fat backsides and voted for tiny tims brigade.

Maybe though they are not that thick, they just moved on instead?

Shame we can’t say the same for some frothing-at-the-mouth remainiac losers.

kabayiri

Sheesh.

Imagine that. Voters choosing, based on what they were told during a campaign.

If it all does go pear, go for the architects who offered the vote.

tracey3596

ilovehouses wrote: »

Good news although we should remember 2016 probably isn't the best year to choose for 'winning brexit' because the referendum didn't happen until mid-year, we won't actually leave (probably) until 2019 and 2016 figures were flattered by a few big takeovers.

How's it going for 2017? From the same article..



Not so good news.

Huh? Is simple arithmetic not your strong point?

In the first six months of 2017 FDI is £20 billion according to the ONS.
In the whole of 2015 it was £25.3 billion.
So it looks very much like 2017 is going very well for the UK.
:T

cogito

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Manufacturing is just 10% of the UK economy...

Meanwhile back in the real world, UK economic performance has dropped from being First in the developed world to the Worst in the G7 and the EU since the Brexit vote.

And the sixth largest manufacturing economy in the world. Not bad for a small island of 60,000,000 people.

Meanwhile back in the real world the EU economy has only just recovered to where it was at the time of the crash.

mayonnaise

cogito wrote: »

Meanwhile back in the real world the EU economy has only just....

...posted near all-time record high PMI numbers.

The upturn in the euro area manufacturing sector continued to surge forward in November. Strong accelerated expansions in production and new orders, aided by series-record growth in new export business, underpinned the steepest increase in employment since the survey began in June 1997

Countries ranked by Manufacturing PMI: Nov.
Germany 62.5 (flash: 62.5) 81-month high
Netherlands 62.4 Record high
Austria 61.9 Record high
Italy 58.3 81-month high
Ireland 58.1 215-month high
France 57.7 (flash: 57.5) 84-month high
Spain 56.1 129-month high
Greece 52.2 2-month high

https://www.markiteconomics.com/Survey/PressRelease.mvc/4eee7fde4d71484a854f4c2a21d16cb8
:T

gfplux

While I am uncomfortable with negotiations moving on to phase two (Citizens Rights) Britain should be careful what it wishes for.
There are hundreds of things to be agreed PLUS a trade deal.
Interesting commentary here.

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/think-brexit-negotiations-are-going-badly-its-about-to-get-a-whole-lot-worse

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"Great news, you might think. You’d be wrong. The problem with entering phase two of Brexit talks is that Britain has no idea what it wants out of a future trading relationship. The prime minister doesn’t know what she wants, cabinet doesn’t know what it wants, parliament doesn’t know what it wants and the public don’t know what they want. If you thought phase one was bad, you ain’t seen nothing yet. Here’s why.

When Britain enters phase two, it will be confronted with a simple choice: do we want trade or control? And we don’t know the answer to this question. Indeed, we haven’t even accepted it’s a choice we’ll have to make. But the reality is that if we want lots of trade, we have to give up some control. If we want lots of control, we have to give up some trade. It’s as simple as that. This is why it is so unhelpful to hear politicians pretend this choice does not exist. You cannot have your cake and eat it. Each bite of the cake you consume means there is that much less cake on the table.

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cogito

gfplux wrote: »

While I am uncomfortable with negotiations moving on to phase two (Citizens Rights) Britain should be careful what it wishes for.
There are hundreds of things to be agreed PLUS a trade deal.
Interesting commentary here.

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/think-brexit-negotiations-are-going-badly-its-about-to-get-a-whole-lot-worse

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"Great news, you might think. You’d be wrong. The problem with entering phase two of Brexit talks is that Britain has no idea what it wants out of a future trading relationship. The prime minister doesn’t know what she wants, cabinet doesn’t know what it wants, parliament doesn’t know what it wants and the public don’t know what they want. If you thought phase one was bad, you ain’t seen nothing yet. Here’s why.

When Britain enters phase two, it will be confronted with a simple choice: do we want trade or control? And we don’t know the answer to this question. Indeed, we haven’t even accepted it’s a choice we’ll have to make. But the reality is that if we want lots of trade, we have to give up some control. If we want lots of control, we have to give up some trade. It’s as simple as that. This is why it is so unhelpful to hear politicians pretend this choice does not exist. You cannot have your cake and eat it. Each bite of the cake you consume means there is that much less cake on the table.

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Shock. Horror. Remain supporting author publishes remain supporting article.

System

How does that article support remain? Do you disagree with it?

cogito

mayonnaise wrote: »

...posted near all-time record high PMI numbers.




https://www.markiteconomics.com/Survey/PressRelease.mvc/4eee7fde4d71484a854f4c2a21d16cb8
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Of course the bits you missed are that the UK's PMI is 58.2 and that EU unemployment is still more that double that of the UK. If you think things are bad in the UK, what words would you use to describe the situation in the EU.

Cakeguts

I am watching the immigration figures published recently. Immigration from the EU has dropped. The people who have dropped out of coming to work in the UK are the ones who don't have a job to come to. The people from anywhere in the world who do have a job to come to are still coming.