Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Private_Church

gfplux wrote: »

Your sincere Christmas cards must be a comfort to you if not the recipient.
When quitters dismiss concerns of the poor, the unemployed, the left behind, Brits living in a foreign land, then I know them for what they are.....Home Counties, including Cheshire, Posh blinkered Conservitive voters with no care for their fellow man.

And what exactly do you know about the "concerns of the poor, the unemployed ,the left behind" living in Luxembourg?.

Fact is you know nothing about those sections of society. Your knowledge of their plight/views is akin to Tony Blairs and the rest of the Champagne Socialists so forgive me for calling you out for what you are which is a fraud.Your entire views about Brexit are based on your own circumstances and your personal gain/losses and nothing to do with the plight of the poor or dispossessed but like a true Champagne Socialist you show faux compassion which is nauseating at best.

Let me tell you as obviously you DO NOT live in the real world, that you are not a Brit who is an immigrant living in an EU27 country that you have no place in this debate.
You have "no skin in the game"

Oh I agree you have a "skin in the game" but as above your only concern is your own "skin".

PS, sorry I don't know what part of Britain you live as you hide (don't disclose) that in your profile

I'm happy to say where I come from.

I live in the Kent/East Sussex border.Born and bred on a Council estate , Comprehensive Educated and City & Guilds Qualified Carpenter & Joiner and as far as the working class element I've been there and done it. I've also seen how freedom of movement has adversely affected the poor so you can save your platitudes for your dinner parties in Luxembourg.

If the above post gets me banned then so be it but in the words of Arnold "I'll be back"............

Moby

This country is such a depressing place now. Brexit reminds me of what it was like here in the seventies. Nothing to look forward to but strife with our neighbours that'll go on for years. The Irish troubles could start again and Scotland will continue to feel aggrieved about being dragged along with the decision to leave. Every day the news is full of Brexit crap......while so many other things need attention. Batten down the hatches folks.

Moby

Private_Church wrote: »

And what exactly do you know about the "concerns of the poor, the unemployed ,the left behind" living in Luxembourg?.

Fact is you know nothing about those sections of society.

I live in the Kent/East Sussex border.Born and bred on a Council eastate , Comprehensive Educated and City & Guilds Qualified Carpenter & Joiner and as far as the working class element I've been there and done it. I've also seen how freedom of movement has adversely affected the poor so you can save your platitudes for your dinner parties in Luxembourg.

If the above post gets me banned then so be it but in the words of Arnold "I'll be back"............

Do you think Boris Johnson, Gove and Fox etc know anything about the plight of the poor. All they are interested in is a low regulated, low waged economy so that we can compete with our former union neighbours. Its the only way it will work mate. Who do you think is going to run our public services when the immigrants go home. I'll tell you now it won't be my Brexit voting neighbours. Their kids struggle to get up in the morning never mind find a job. They pay for a guy from Poland to come round to do the garden and the Romanian cleaner hoovers around them while they are on their playstations...... But Mum tells me she's sure they'll find it easier to get their own places when the immigrants have gone.:rotfl:

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

Never say never but it is unlikely I will return to the sadly now unfamiliar bolt hole as I see the rise of right wing politics a much bigger threat in British society.

Barnier is a centre right politician.......;)

Tromking

gfplux wrote: »

You miss the point, naturally.
British citizens living in the EU27 and EU citizens living in Britain are linked in any deal.
The deal on Citizens Rights will be reciprocated for both sides.
I see why you think this Government would be thinking of the huge amount of taxes and social security money that EU citizens pay in to the UK treasury, plus the enormous amount of money spent by those EU citizens in British shops and resteraunts. Their large contribution to the British economy is staggering.
The only strange thing is that David Davis is ignoring everyone!

Never say never but it is unlikely I will return to the sadly now unfamiliar bolt hole as I see the rise of right wing politics a much bigger threat in British society.

If the deal on citizens rights will be reciprocated what are you worrying about?
Lest we forget it was the EU that decided to turn down the UK`s request to sort out the rights of EU and UK citizens early on.
EU citizens make the same personal contribution to the UK Treasury as any other person living and working in the UK, though its not entirely surprising given your antipathy to the British people you would put the efforts of EU citizens on some sort of higher moral plane.
Approximately 100 far right MP's being elected to our UK parliament would cause a major crisis here, not so in Germany it seems. Brexit has killed populism stone dead in the UK, that's the power of democratic decisions being acted on by politicians don't you know.

Moby

Tromking wrote: »

If the deal on citizens rights will be reciprocated what are you worrying about?
Lest we forget it was the EU that decided to turn down the UK`s request to sort out the rights of EU and UK citizens early on.
EU citizens make the same personal contribution to the UK Treasury as any other person living and working in the UK, though its not entirely surprising given your antipathy to the British people you would put the efforts of EU citizens on some sort of higher moral plane.
Approximately 100 far right MP's being elected to our UK parliament would cause a major crisis here, not so in Germany it seems. Brexit has killed populism stone dead in the UK, that's the power of democratic decisions being acted on by politicians don't you know.

So Boris Johnson and Michael Gove aren't populists then? What exactly is the brexit plan for a more fair distribution of wealth and workers rights post March 2019?

Tromking

Moby wrote: »

So Boris Johnson and Michael Gove aren't populists then? What exactly is the brexit plan for a more fair distribution of wealth and workers rights post March 2019?

I think you need to separate party politics from Brexit. You do know there is left of centre argument for leaving the EU don't you?
There is a reason why socialists like Corbyn and McDonnell walked through the lobbies with Boris and Gove on the vote to leave the EU free trade area and customs union last week.

Moby

=Private Church;73470200]No they don't have a Scooby Doo about the plight of the poor but did Blair? Diane Abbott?, does Corbyn? really? does Corbyn know about the the everyday struggles of the poor?. No clearly not and neither does some middle class ,affluent chancer living in Luxembourg.

THe difference is that those you yourself say don't have a scooby doo are making the decisions. Corbyn has not been tested yet in power so you or I don't know but he couldn't do any worse!

Feel free to quote me where I've ever said we should send all EU migrants home.

You see this is your problem and those of remainers in general.They confuse having the ability to determin who from the EU moves here and who can't as a blanket ban on EU migrants which even to the least educated in society see that it means nothing of the sort. It does however mean we can choose the best people for the job ,be they French,Polish,Canadian,Australian or Thai but you knew that didn't you ?.

They are already leaving. Look at the crisis in our NHS staffing levels. Germany copes pretty well with much higher levels of immigration. The German economy has done better than ours for years. In any event there was nothing stopping us regulating immigration from the rest of the world.....but we didn't. How is leaving the EU going to change that?

[QUOTE I welcome any hardworking,qualified person coming here but don't expect me to accept the EU dross that comes here along with the genuine.

Yep as I said you see immigrants as dross. Condemned by your own words..say no more!

Moby

Tromking wrote: »

I think you need to separate party politics from Brexit. You do know there is left of centre argument for leaving the EU don't you?
There is a reason why socialists like Corbyn and McDonnell walked through the lobbies with Boris and Gove on the vote to leave the EU free trade area and customs union last week.

Of course I know but they are a tiny minority. Corbyn isn't really interested in Brexit. He's more interested in social issues and re-distribution of wealth. I also know the driving force for Brexit is from the right. ....from people who don't give a toss about you and I.

Private_Church

Moby wrote: »

THe difference is that those you yourself say don't have a scooby doo are making the decisions. Corbyn has not been tested yet in power so you or I don't know but he couldn't do any worse!

I agree they don't but do any of the political elite in the EU have any idea either?. We know its a fact that for the EU to succeed it needs to integrate fully but anyone who believes that a Political system based in another country will somehow make a better job of governing or looking after the poor is laughable. Its a complete joke to take snide digs at the UK Parliament whilst at the same time laud the EU.

Do you think the EU or UK Parliament give a t0ss about the poor who pay way over the odds for their electric and gas when forced to pay on a key/card meter?. Think about that for a moment.The poorest in Society paying a premium for their heating and light even though they pay upfront for their gas/electric and you think the EU cares more than London?. I detest the UK Parliament for much that goes on their but at least we can get rid of them .

As for Corbyn, well his background and his political history tell us all we need to know. As an analogy its like giving a robber a cleaning job in a jewellers.

They are already leaving. Look at the crisis in our NHS staffing levels.

The UK Govt wanted to settle citizens rights almost from day 1 post referendum and the EU said no ,to their shame or had you forgotten that fact. I think its fair to say that this has influenced peoples decision more than any other including the rise of reported hate crimes immediately after the referendum. Now the increase in reporting of hate crimes is not the same as a rise in actual hate crimes but I admit the air was tainted by a small minority of the public. As for the NHS staffing problems well that can also be down to pay, current value of the pound and working conditions rather than Brexit.

Correct me if I'm wrong and I genuinely don't know the answer to this but hasn't the number on Bulgarians and Romanians moving to the UK increased post Brexit vote?.

Germany copes pretty well with much higher levels of immigration.

Germany is geographically much larger than the UK. It has also run a trade surplus (against EU rules ) for years so they need immigration to keep the German engine room running.

The German economy has done better than ours for years.

Are you surprised?, German manufacturing having an increased market for their goods with each new EU member state that joins.

In any event there was nothing stopping us regulating immigration from the rest of the world.....but we didn't. How is leaving the EU going to change that?

We will have to wait and see what happens post Brexit but I agree we did little to limit non EU immigration to the UK. I'm not sure we wanted to prevent wealthy Indians or Amercians coming here to study and pay large sums of money for the privilege but what does a Romanian car wash attended add to the UK Plc ?.

Condemned by your own words..say no more!

Not at all its called being a pragmatist with an open mind who loves Europe and its cultures but detests the EU elite with a passion.You seem to be blinded by the idea that all EU migrants who move here are of benefit and the criminals and lazy EU migrants stay at home, its laughable. If thats condemnation then yeah I'll soak it up.

Its a perverse idea that somehow the EU are the good guys looking after the interests of the little people when the truth is very different.

The idea that the EU giving subsidies to build factories in Poland to manufacture the same items that are made in other Western EU countries but for a cheaper price as somehow looking after the little people's jobs.. Sorry Moby but if it wasn't so sad it would be laughable.

Its nothing more than redistributing wealth from the West to the East and that helps the little people in the UK how exactly?.