Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Lornapink

BobQ wrote: »

Meanwhile the Brexiteers chase the illusions

Spell-out what remaining means.
Are we to be offered further opt-outs as the EU embraces further centralisation such as a common foreign policy?
In a second vote Remain would have to precisely explain what remain means, and in the process voters would come to see it is a world of uncertainty and loss of meaningful democracy.

LHW99

David Cameron never said we'd have World War 3 if we left the EU

No I agree he didn't, at least not in so many words, although there was passing mention of "serried rows of white headstones in lovingly-tended Commonwealth war cemeteries"
However, he did say that suggestions of an EU army were fanciful. Just 6 months after the referendum vote the idea was being seriously discussed
https://www.dw.com/en/opinion-a-small-step-toward-a-european-army/a-41366311
Confirmation, that while Leave may not be able to predict how the UK will change by being out of the EU, Remain cannot predict what will happen if we stayed in.
Would we be able to veto that, as Cameron suggested. Maybe now, but in years to come if we were still a member? Probably not, as increased use is made of QMV, since the larger the EU becomes, the harder it becomes to achieve unanimity. To get anything done, motions would have to be passed by majority vote.

Herzlos

Leave should be able to predict how the UK will be out of the EU because well have more or less sole responsibility for achieving it.

Staying in the EU contain a some uncertainty and compromise as we share the decision making with 27 other states.

Leave not having any idea about what a future UK will look like leads me to believe they haven't really thought about it

mrginge

Anyone else bricking it following Dominic grieve!!!8217;s news of the impending breakdown in society?
This 28 Days Later dystopia sounds horrific.

No, thought not.

Zero_Gravitas

mrginge wrote: »

Anyone else bricking it following Dominic grieve!!!8217;s news of the impending breakdown in society?
This 28 Days Later dystopia sounds horrific.

No, thought not.

Agreed. It’s about as likely as the brexiteer predictions of the imminent implosion of the EU, and the likelihood of civil war in the U.K. if there’s another referendum.

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

That was one of the reasons people said they voted to leave, because they'd been told the EU was collapsing. I think Farage was disappointed that the French elections didn't quite go the way he predicted.

A French President elected with 25% of the vote. 3 months of rolling train strikes at a cost of €800 million in lost revenue. France isn't as politically stable as you suggest. Still extremely militant. Macron's reforms are far from easy to implement.

Thrugelmir

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

Agreed. It’s about as likely as the brexiteer predictions of the imminent implosion of the EU.

Extremely unlikely. What's more likely is change of direction, as for the project to work. Everybody has to be 100% on board. That's where the fractures will become evident. No single party is going to vote against something they benefit from. The angst will emminate from those left behind.

mrginge

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

Agreed. It’s about as likely as the brexiteer predictions of the imminent implosion of the EU, and the likelihood of civil war in the U.K. if there’s another referendum.

Isn’t it nice when we can all agree on things.

Daniel54

mrginge wrote: »

Anyone else bricking it following Dominic grieve!!!8217;s news of the impending breakdown in society?
This 28 Days Later dystopia sounds horrific.

No, thought not.

It is not just remainers who think leaving on WTO rules would be an unmitigated disaster,which is a quote from the Leave Alliance

http://leavehq.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=128

gfplux

Lornapink wrote: »

Spell-out what remaining means.
Are we to be offered further opt-outs as the EU embraces further centralisation such as a common foreign policy?
In a second vote Remain would have to precisely explain what remain means, and in the process voters would come to see it is a world of uncertainty and loss of meaningful democracy.

Brexiters are constantly trying to shift the focus away from Brexit. Re running the referendum arguments is not relevant.

Britain is rushing out of the EU at the end of March 2019.

A deal of some sort will be done. Even the British chief negotiator and the Prime Minister are talking of speeding up the talks...finally.

What Brexiters will have on their shoulders will the consequences of Brexit.
There will not be one huge catastrophe (as I have posted many times, it will be drip drip.) there will not be a bang but a whimper. Small cuts day by day month by month and year by year (a leading Brexiter, Mogg, says it will take 50 years to see any benefits!) will lead to Britain being diminished in the world. Many will not notice any change for a some time as Brexit is like boiling a frog.

From Politico this morning.
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Also on Mogg Watch: The Brexiteer leader told a C4 podcast it may take 50 years to enjoy the full benefits (or indeed suffer the real agonies) of Brexit. Which is sad for Rees-Mogg he be 99 years old by then. HuffPosts Graeme Demianyk has rounded up the usual Remainiac outrage.
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Although the BLOOMBERG email puts it this way.
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Opportunities | Arch-Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg told Channel 4 News the full economic consequences of the;overwhelming opportunities; of Brexit wont be known for 50 years. Meanwhile his investment firm has launched a second Irish fund, the FT reports.
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