Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Thrugelmir

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

Absolutely correct. Johnson, Gove, Davies, Rees-Mogg - a truly rotten dishonourable heap if ever there was one.

At least they are principled. Walked rather than pushed. Corbyn is akin to a limpet. Despite not holding the confidence of his own party he remains wedded to nothing more than a power grap to implement his zany policies,

chucknorris

PDQ wrote: »

Nah, the "biggie" was the expansion from being one of a group of nine countries in a Common Market to a dysfunctional conglomerate of 28 intent upon imposing its own laws on everything from borders to bananas (EC regulation 227/94 for those interested) and trying to become a United States of Europe complete with its' own army, flag and anthem.
But of course you accept the result of the referendum, your "hoovers" (they are vacuum cleaners BTW; a "Hoover" is a brand) suggestion of that being the "biggie" is proof i suppose.

I'm fully aware that hoovers are a brand, it was a joke! The biggy was obviously moving from the status quo, to the unknown.

Why say "But of course you accept the result of the referendum, your "hoovers" (they are vacuum cleaners BTW; a "Hoover" is a brand) suggestion of that being the "biggie" is proof i suppose". Are you just here to argue?

I have genuinely accepted the referendum vote and moved on. But it does amuse me that quite a lot of people from both sides like to pretend that they know what will happen, nobody does! I don't particularly care now, because it is going to happen anyway, so why argue about it?

Zero_Gravitas

Thrugelmir wrote: »

At least they are principled. Walked rather than pushed. Corbyn is akin to a limpet. Despite not holding the confidence of his own party he remains wedded to nothing more than a power grap to implement his zany policies,

I agree with you about Corbyn. Any reasonable opposition would be making mincemeat of this government, but the Labour Party are currently proving themselves to be even more incompetent than the conservatives (which is no mean feat at the moment). It won’t be a popular view, but Tony Blair in his pre-Iraq Prime would have run rings around this government.

However... If Davies and Johnston had any sort of principles they would have resigned at Chequers and walked back; rather than getting the ministerial car back home before considering their positions. Indeed, if any of them had any principles they’d mount a leadership challenge to put TM out of her misery and lead us to the glorious sunny uplands of brexit they were so keen on telling us all about.

But they won’t, and the only conclusion that can be drawn from that is that they don’t believe there are any sunny uplands, and they want TM to carry the can for the impending disaster before they can they then start jockeying for position to be PM.

We get the politicians we deserve, and brexit has given us a truly uninspiring bunch of self-serving incompetents, on all sides of the house.

Ballard

Thrugelmir wrote: »

At least they are principled. Walked rather than pushed. Corbyn is akin to a limpet. Despite not holding the confidence of his own party he remains wedded to nothing more than a power grap to implement his zany policies,

Just taken Johnson as an example, in what way does he have any principles? He famously wrote two articles prior to opting to go with the Leave side. One for each option. I doubt very much that he believes in brexit. Boris Johnson does whatever is best for Boris Johnson. He’s a devious little so-and-so who has allegedly had multiple affairs and fathered children with whom he has no contact. Remember him offering to have a journalist beaten up for his pal?

chucknorris

PDQ wrote: »

Ah, so now you suggest your "hoovers" comment was a joke - when there is absolutely zero indication of that being the case in your original post.
You're backtracking methinks and accusing me of what you yourself were doing; "here just to argue" indeed. Well you were caught out. It does amuse me when people must resort to new interpretations of what they have said when they have their errors pointed out to them.

I agree that nobody can know for certain & in fact I thanked a post here which said just that but
I do however object to the implication that remainers know better, as you did with your "hoovers" comment. Now let's see just who is just here to argue should you choose to respond.

You really thought that my 'hoovers' comment was serious? I realise that you do not know anything about me, but for the record I am a self made millionaire, a charted surveyor and a university lecturer. I'm not saying that means that much, but surely it is a clue, that I do have at least some common sense, so it isn't very likely that I thought the main issue was about vacuum cleaners, is it? The reason that I find the hoovers (vacuum cleaners) so amusing is because of the history of them. Maybe you aren't old enough to remember the vacuum cleaner company giving free flights to New York, then that company getting into serious financial problems (because of the huge take up from customers), then an airline rubbing salt in the wound, by giving away hoovers with flights to New York? It was fresh in my mind because we (a few friends of mine) we talking about it over breakfast today, after our Parkrun.

You should know that I am not implying that remainers know better, I have already made it quite clear that I believe that no one knows what will happen:

chucknorris wrote: »

but I'm not pretending that I think I know what will happen, because I don't (nobody does).

chucknorris wrote: »

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I have genuinely accepted the referendum vote and moved on. But it does amuse me that quite a lot of people from both sides like to pretend that they know what will happen, nobody does! I don't particularly care now, because it is going to happen anyway, so why argue about it?

I think that by saying nobody (ie both remainers and brexiters) and both sides (ditto) makes it perfectly clear that I am NOT saying or implying that either side know better.

Trust me, you are completely misjudging me, I don't have an axe to grind over the brexit situation, which is why I have not posted much about it, I'll guess that no more than 0.1% of my posts are about brexit.

EDIT: I hope that brexit works out for us, do you really think that I would want to lose substantial amounts of money, just so I could post 'I told you so' (I haven't even taken that position, I've made it clear that I don't know what will happen). So I genuinely hope that things work out for the best.

Zero_Gravitas

PDQ wrote: »

Totally unlike Barmier, Drunkers, Verhofstadt and Tsk-Tsk who are all so honorable I suppose?
Or unlike Soubry, Abbott or Corbyn?
Right.
:wall:

Not really. When the eventual history of brexit is written, I suspect that none of the key players from any side will emerge smelling particularly rose-like.

However, the record will say that the EU proved to be significantly better at negotiating than the divided and disorganised U.K. government.

vivatifosi

Ballard wrote: »

Just taken Johnson as an example, in what way does he have any principles?

He's principled enough to stand down as Foreign Secretary because he doesn't believe in The Chequers Agreement but not so principled that he's ready to give up the grace and favour apartment that went with the job. If I was Theresa May, I'd change the locks on Chevening quickly, before he lets himself in and squats there.

Zero_Gravitas

PDQ wrote: »

I agree with most of your last few posts except for the last paragraph above.
Lets wait and see what the outcome is before making such wild statements.
It's not done and dusted yet you know.

Oh dear. If you’re agreeing with me then I’m off to have a cold shower and a serious reappraisal of my world view

And as far as the negotiations are concerned, I hope you’re right. However, on the basis of how the negotiations have gone so far, I really can’t see how we are going to improve. If that’s a wild statement, then so be it.

chucknorris

PDQ wrote: »

Sincere thanks for taking the opportunity to reply in a reasoned manner. I wish more here could be equally as honest and forthright.

That's the point, nobody knows. Those trying to say we will be worse of because of X,Y & Z are lying because they do not know - and they do say "we will", not "we might". There are many factors besides Brexit which will affect the UK's future.

Just as an FYI the above quote should read "I haven't even taken that position".
I don't suppose you're in need of a good PA are you? :cool:

I've been celebrating today, it isn't surprising that minor grammatical errors are present in my post. Nope, I'm virtually retired, in fact, I handed my notice in to retire a couple of years ago, but the university couldn't find anyone to deliver one of my modules, so they asked me to stay on, on a one day per week basis. Which I much prefer to being retired, not enough to stress me out, but enough to give me some diversity.

I only voted remain because for me it wasn't broken (so no need for me to want something fixed). But I accept that for many that it was broken (school places, immigration, medical waiting lists etc etc).

Herzlos

https://www.ft.com/content/8f46b0d4-77b6-11e8-8e67-1e1a0846c475!


Honda are essentially saying that the warehousing efforts to mitigate customs delays would likely dwarf the effort or relocating to back inside the customs union. Honda aren't the only manufacturer or retailer running a just in time stock model.

Articles like this are why I don't believe euro-sceptic think tanks saying Brexit will be an economic boost. Someone must be lying and I don't think it's Honda; the logic stacks up.

Proud managers describe 2m components !!!8220;flowing like water!!!8221; to the factory line every working day. Some orders from!EU!suppliers arrive within five to 24 hours; others, such as customised car seats, are summoned from local suppliers just 75 minutes before use. Not a minute is wasted.!!

Honda now fears that the border checks that could be introduced as a result of Brexit will clog up the process. If Britain were to leave the customs union, Honda estimates European parts will take a minimum of two to three days to reach the plant, and possibly as long as nine days. Delivery times of finished cars may be just as unpredictable.!!

To a car industry famed for its clockwork tempo, the potential delays pose an existential challenge.!A warehouse capable of holding nine days!!!8217; worth of Honda stock would need to be roughly 300,000 sq m !!!8212; one of the largest buildings on earth. Its floorspace would be equivalent to 42 football pitches, almost three times!Amazon!!!8217;s main US distribution centre.!And its cost!to operate!would be as eye-catching as its proportions.