Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Zero_Gravitas

mrginge wrote: »

Could we perhaps tempt you into providing a potential name who you think can save us from this chaos?

Gareth Southgate. Definitely Gareth Southgate.

There’s certainly not a U.K. politician who appears to be even remotely capable.

Thrugelmir

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

Gareth Southgate. Definitely Gareth Southgate.

There’s certainly not a U.K. politician who appears to be even remotely capable.

Theresa May......

Donald Trump: US-UK trade deal 'absolutely possible'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44821976

Not one to get flustered by Trump's antics.

Zero_Gravitas

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Theresa May......

As I said, there’s not a U.K. politician who appears to be even remotely capable.

vivatifosi

What I find astonishing about Trump is that he called Tom Newton Dunn's article in the Sun "fake news", even though there is video footage of him saying it. I swear the man lives in a parallel universe.

Thrugelmir

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

As I said, there’s not a U.K. politician who appears to be even remotely capable.

Given there'll be never be a concensus. Simply getting on with the job is what's required. Trump and May have much in common. In terms of stickability and doing what they believe to be the best for the people they represent.

Moby

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Given there'll be never be a concensus. Simply getting on with the job is what's required. Trump and May have much in common. In terms of stickability and doing what they believe to be the best for the people they represent.

In relation to May getting on with the job.....that surely means the White Paper produced by the Chequers agreement......I can't see the EU 27 accepting a proposal to split goods and services, the Tory ultras won't accept it, can May therefore depend on Labour votes to push it through? I doubt it.
Imo parliament is unlikely to allow us to crash out..........I think we're either heading for a BINO or we'll need some sort of an extension?

vivatifosi

Moby wrote: »

In relation to May getting on with the job.....that surely means the White Paper produced by the Chequers agreement......I can't see the EU 27 accepting a proposal to split goods and services, the Tory ultras won't accept it, can May therefore depend on Labour votes to push it through? I doubt it.
Imo parliament is unlikely to allow us to crash out..........I think we're either heading for a BINO or we'll need some sort of an extension?

Is it BINO though? It is certainly an inelegant solution, but does address both immigration and cost of membership.

Some will say "that's not we've voted for", but go back two years and there are posts by the likes of dear-departed Conrad saying that staying in the Customs Union but not having to pay to be in the EU is a great deal.

Zero_Gravitas

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Given there'll be never be a concensus. Simply getting on with the job is what's required. Trump and May have much in common. In terms of stickability and doing what they believe to be the best for the people they represent.

Only half wrong this time. I think that at least Trump believes in “America First”, and ironically that means that any trade deal we get from America will be massively one-sided in America’s favour, but the U.K. will be so desperate it will have to take it.

May on the other hand truly only cares about trying to hold the Tory party together, and stuff the consequences for the county - although that may have been what you meant by the “people she represents”...

fatbeetle

Arklight wrote: »

How are little englanders going to react after all their foot stamping about bringing back control, when they see the US president basically trying to depose a British Prime Minister.

Well I don't know how your imaginary people who do these imaginary things will react, after all they only exist in your head.

But I do know that people like myself, those who voted leave for pragmatic reasons, will continue to rejoice while watching people like you undermining the remain case by having nothing to offer but childish playground insults.

How's that working out for you by the way, is it stopping Brexit?

Thrugelmir

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

Only half wrong this time. I think that at least Trump believes in !!!8220;America First!!!8221;, and ironically that means that any trade deal we get from America will be massively one-sided in America!!!8217;s favour, but the U.K. will be so desperate it will have to take it.

Nor more one sided that than the treatment being received from our EU compatriots. When push comes to shove. Self interest is at the core of most decisions. Not the better good for all.

The UK no longer rules the waves. Something we just have to get used too.