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Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)
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Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »Since each commissioner is chosen by their respective countrys government (so not directly elected, but not undemocratic since theyre chosen by the elected government) the new UK government can have their representative put forward the repeal of said law. Granted the commissioners have a duty to represent the EU as a whole, not only their respective nation, but im struggling to think of anything a national govt would want to repeal at EU level that has previously been agreed to by 28 countries, and would prove to be an issue of national vs EU interests.
How would this be any different to say, a new Scottish administration wanting to change something to do with devolution, and possibly not being able to secure it? It doesnt matter if they were elected on the basis that they would try but are unable to succeed (they obviously cant be elected legitimately on the basis of something they wouldnt have the power to change). Nobody gets their way all the time, compromise isnt a bad thing.
Can you give any examples of the sort of laws you think this situation would apply to? The one I can think of is that the UK cant get rid of the tampon tax, because country's arent allowed to introduce new zero rated VAT items... Now that makes sense when you pay VAT in the country of sale - nobody in the EU would want to allow one country to undermine a large tax base for everyone else. But that doesnt stop discussion of creating new specific exemptions or failing that there are still ways the government can work around the issue.
There are of course issues with the EU, but im yet to see anything which demonstrates a loss of freedom in the EU that wouldnt apply to a regiong within the UK when it comes to Westminster.
No no Rusty. There's no moving of goalposts with me I'm afraid.
Where is the voice at the ballot box?
Do we influence the choice of commissioner?
Do we get to choose what they will or will not put forward on our behalf?
Even if we did actually get that far, the voice of the majority in this country can be ignored if they so wish by being one of 28 un-elected voices.
Say far right extremism takes power in enough EU states to put forward a law we find appalling. Where's your voice? No vote you make can exact change at the EU level. None. You have been reduced to a mere proposal.0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »Suggesting that people are stupid is offensive. .
It is a simple fact that some people in society have lower levels of intelligence than others.
Disliking that fact does not make it any less true.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »It is a simple fact that some people in society have lower levels of intelligence than others.
Disliking that fact does not make it any less true.
Absoloutly!0 -
Why put the decision in the hands of morons who don't know what the EU is? I hate this obsession with referendums.
I'd wager there's leave voters on this forum that would humiliate your level of EU knowledge.
I'm aghast that a remain voter thinks MEP's can propose EU legislation. Yet as a leave voter I'm continually told I am the uninformed/unintelligent/uneducated.0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »It is a simple fact that some people in society have lower levels of intelligence than others.
Disliking that fact does not make it any less true.
And we all know who you consider the less intelligent to be.0 -
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TrickyTree83 wrote: »I'd wager there's leave voters on this forum that would humiliate your level of EU knowledge.
I'd wager most leave voters know a whole lot less about the EU than they think they do...Thrugelmir wrote: »Intelligence didn't help those that invested in property in Aberdeen. Greed being the far bigger problem.
Good thing that greed has paid off so handsomely then. :beer:“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
And we all know who you consider the less intelligent to be.
Personal considerations are of no relevance.
It remains a simple fact that some people are less intelligent than others. That's not remotely controversial....“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »I'd wager most leave voters know a whole lot less about the EU than they think they do...
And yet, what if they still had more of an idea what the EU is and how it operates than the average "educated" remain voter? I'm sure you will agree that a degree in English Literature, Chemistry, Sociology, Sports Science, etc... does not bestow upon the individual knowledge of the EU.
But we're asked to believe it does when we are told we are stupid and had no idea what we were voting for.0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Personal considerations are of no relevance.
It remains a simple fact that some people are less intelligent than others. That's not remotely controversial....
This is why we had professional politicians to distill the issues to a level which the average voter could understand.
Except...the remain politicians doing the campaigning didn't appear to be up to the job.
Maybe they are just not that bright
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