Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

holidaysforme

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The elastic has snapped. Time to move on.

More embarrassing is the fact that some people seem to take enjoyment in running thir own country down......... Sad sad state of affairs.

You should always criticise your country when it makes monumentally stupid decisions which will have huge ramifications for generations to come:mad:

Thrugelmir

holidaysforme wrote: »

You should always criticise your country when it makes monumentally stupid decisions which will have huge ramifications for generations to come:mad:

Nothing to suggest this so far. Recent events have merely added vindication to Mrs May's original comments.

economic

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

I dont understand your position: you want democratic accountability, but then talk about the unelected HoL in a positive way? As for expressing your opinion at the ballot box... With the EU you elect your MEP, and each countrys elected government represents national interests in the commission, each countrys finance ministers also meet. Its simply false to say that you don't have a voice, you have several (which is more than the one you elect, your MP, in the UK).

Do you actually mean that you feel your opinion through the ballot box is 'diluted' because of the scale and varying interests within the EU? Because I can understand that some might not like that in the EU there is inevitably more compromise because there are such different national voices, often with competing interests... To me thats acceptable because we get to influence others we otherwise wouldn't get to.. Thats an opinion, each to their own, but to claim you have no representation?!

Can you give an example of being dictated to by the EU that wouldn't alsp apply to the UK government? I mean we all cede some sovereignty to the UK government when we could have more decisions taken locally, but last time I checked the likes of the Yorkshire Party and the Cornish independence lot have never done well... Why is an English region pooling sovereignty any different than the UK doing so with the EU?

its simple. the uk is largely english speaking and has a culture different from the other EU countries. in fact each of the EU countries have different languages and cultures and so there should not have been an EU in the first place.

you can not mix languages and cultures and expect a unified political/economical situation. looka t the US - all individual states form part of a united nation. all states have language and culture in common. without common culture and languages you can not have a political union as its impossible to cater for everyone.

holidaysforme

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Nothing to suggest this so far. Recent events have merely added vindication to Mrs May's original comments.

You're living on another planet mate.;)

worried_jim

The peasants revolt! There will be no going back. The loons, duffers, kippers have made it so. Time to knuckle down and get on with it. Political BDSM.

iammumtoone

I don't understand why people keep going on about another referendum - do they not grasp it is too late! We have said we are leaving, the EU would not take us back now.

In theory we could have a referendum of whether we accept the deal but what if we say no? then what? the EU are not going to say ok then lets start the negotiations again.

We could have a referendum on whether to accept the deal or no deal but does anyone really think that the general public are qualified to make that decision? I would not like to have that responsibility, it was bad enough having to decide in or out.

Thrugelmir

holidaysforme wrote: »

You're living on another planet mate.;)

Nothing like an intelligent debate. :beer:

Thrugelmir

iammumtoone wrote: »

In theory we could have a referendum of whether we accept the deal but what if we say no?

Then there will be no deal.

Rusty_Shackleton

economic wrote: »

its simple. the uk is largely english speaking and has a culture different from the other EU countries. in fact each of the EU countries have different languages and cultures and so there should not have been an EU in the first place.

you can not mix languages and cultures and expect a unified political/economical situation. looka t the US - all individual states form part of a united nation. all states have language and culture in common. without common culture and languages you can not have a political union as its impossible to cater for everyone.

That doesnt answer what I asked, Thrugelmir said he doesnt feel represented because he cant express his opinion at the ballot box.

To answer your point though, there are lots of countries that have multiple official languages and do just fine, Canada and the US for example, not to mention the UK... As for your example of the US, its a misconception that the states are so homogeneous, they have very different cultures. The differences in culture between us and the continent aren't really greater than the variation between regions of the UK. Scotland, Wales and Ireland all have distinctive cultures that differentiate them from England, and areas of England have varying cultures again. The UK also has an awful lot of shared culture with the continent or are you forgetting latin roots of most (all?) modern European languages, intertwined histories from the Roman Empire through to the cold war, not to mention Beethoven, Van Gogh, Abba, gothic architecture... even croissants! If you want to see what a truly different culture looks like, go to the Arab countries or south east Asia... But culturally, the UK, Europe and the US (essentially The West) are all very closely culturally related.

So, when both the UK and US function fine with very different cultures within them, and we share an awful lot of culture and history with Europe, why exactly can the former have a political union that works but in your opinion Europe not?

holidaysforme

I don't believe there will be another referendum. Fact is the other countries of the EU want us gone now. They have had more than enough of the whining and self pitying coming from this government.

They want their divorce bill settled and rightly so. This whole thing has been a monumental disaster and may and her cohorts know it. They just can't admit it in public. It's all about damage limitation now!