Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

Herzlos

posh*spice wrote: »

This is the sort of people the remainers are trying to lumber us with in their united states of europe.

When people in the future want to leave the united states of europe they will be shot with rubber bullets or worse....

....let's get out now ....while we can.

....what?

You're free to leave, just don't expect me to be happy about being dragged out with you. Remember half of us didn't want to leave.

Are you trying to imply this has anything to do with the eu or that the eu supports the Spanish police here or what? I genuinely don't understand the point you're trying to make.

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

What do percentages have to do with anything? Cash is king. Cash is what pays peoples wages, generates tax revenues etc. Lack of work will hit peoples jobs.

Percentages are very important. Losing nearly half your income is worse than losing a tenth, regardless of your income, no?

Cash alone is an almost pointless term. Say I spend £100,000 with a Dutch company. How much of that goes to how many workers? How much goes to China for goods produced? How much ends up in a tax haven?

Would me not spending that money put anyone out of a job?

Herzlos

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Perhaps you might consider why you should be looking at what they do rather than what they say.

Because they both have a well documented history of lying. Why would I believe them now when literally everything else contradicts them.

If we were talking about Corby and Abbot you'd be telling me to ignore the words.

Why are you so bothered about whether we think May and Johnson hate each other or not? Being Tories they'd stab each other in the back either way.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Well, the Manchester march protesting against Brexit has been and gone.
In a city with a population of over two-and-a-half million and where organisers said the likes of "Activist group ‘Stop Brexit’ is expecting at least 30,000 people from across Europe to join its march down Oxford Road from 1.30pm." and "The People’s Assembly Against Austerity says at least 20,000 will join its campaigners for a march from Castlefield to Portland Street from 2pm." (*1) the rather generous-looking estimate of 30,000 who actually attended (*2) was IMHO underwhelming.
The weather can't be blamed either; it was a pleasant afternoon in Manchester weather-wise at least.

Sooner or later the pro-remain contingent who are so vocal in their condemnation of Brexit must realise that relatively few think likewise. Certainly not enough to mount an effective protest, if the last two (London & now Manchester) are anything to go by.
Still, if nothing else it gives the hardened anti-anything activists from across Britain and beyond a day out, eh?





*1 http://www.itv.com/news/granada/2017-10-01/tens-of-thousands-of-protesters-to-march-through-manchester-city-centre/

*2 http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/live-protests-manchester-conservative-conference-13699949

Herzlos

Or very few people feel it's worth matching in Manchester over. Last anti-migration rally here had 6 attendees.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Herzlos wrote: »

Because they both have a well documented history of lying. Why would I believe them now when literally everything else contradicts them.

If we were talking about Corby and Abbot you'd be telling me to ignore the words.

Lying?
Unlike almost every other politician in the history of politics you mean?
Righty-ho.

Good of you though it is to try and put words into my mouth you can be assured that if it were "Corby & Abbot" I would still be :rotfl: since IMHO they're more like a comedy duo to begin with.

cogito

ilovehouses wrote: »

Well done. You've spent two days not commenting on the UK's negotiating tactics and,instead, focused on whether you said what I said you said and whether I can prove Davis is begging.

I'm clearly not above debating the debate, Jock certainly isn't but you give the impression of being above that sort of thing.

You've obviously missed the posts I made yesterday. Funny how you managed to drag up a post that I made weeks ago to try to prove a point but missed these.

Well done.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

'There is NO cliff edge' Farage reveals Brexit plan to give UK the upper hand OVER Barnier

Richard Tice says:

"There is no cliff edge, and there is no cliff. In my view, there is only a springboard of opportunity.
"The biggest leverage we have, the thing the EU fears the most, is that we leave in 2019 and we pay nothing more, and legally we are perfectly entitled to do that. The EU would then be left with a serious financial blackhole."

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/861019/Nigel-Farage-Tice-Brexit-UK-Barnier-Theresa-May

System

Thrugelmir wrote: »

They had an understanding , a truce. Only way of uniting different factions within the party.

There are some parallels to the argument here. Both of them denied the existence of such a pact at the time so anyone saying one existed was speculating, reporting or offering an opinion.

Their relationship broke down and this was widely reported. Of course when questioned they both denied a rift despite it being self evident. Can you remember the excruciating pictures of them watching the World Cup together to try and dispel the rumours?

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

Percentages are very important. Losing nearly half your income is worse than losing a tenth, regardless of your income, no?

As yet the EU isn't a collective group though. The impact on Eire is far greater than 10% for example. hence %'s being somewhat meaningless. BMW imports parts with which to build Mini's. The UK is BMW's largest market for the Mini. A complex situation for the EU to resolve internally.