Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

posh*spice

Shame on you Rajoy. Rubber bullets wth.

posh*spice

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Another example of UK "freedom" whilst an EU member:
"Brexit: European Commission investigating sharp rise in detention and deportation of EU citizens from UK"



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-eu-citizens-deported-european-commission-investigation-a7976236.html

Good for them.

As we went into the referendum I was shocked by the number of EU nationals living in my local parks and in vans just parked up. All around the south there were people living in the open under just taupaulin and in tents. Nuts. People outside the south have no idea whats its been like.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Such is the desperation to divert from reality that - from Marr's interview with May - one quote is commented-upon but not the immediate reply!
Well they wouldn't, would they; it doesn't fit their propagandist stance.

"Nice quote from Marr something along the lines of 'if the cabinet is like a nest of singing birds one of them is a giant Cuckoo and there are at least three vultures too'." it says above, completely ignoring the immediate response of:
"Boris is completely behind the Florence speech and the line that we have taken".

This is not to be taken as that I am some kind of avid Theresa May supporter; rather that deliberate misdirection has yet again been attempted and now pointed out.

ilovehouses wrote: »

It's a fact that Boris says he and May 'are a nest of singing birds' and May says 'Boris is absolutely behind the Florence speech and the line that we have taken'.

However it would be fallacious reasoning to take this fact to prove they are, in fact, like harmonious lovebirds.

Oh dear, wrong again; quite habitual it increasingly appears.
You misunderstand the definition of "fallacious".
It is in fact fallacious to interpret what has been said as anything other than what has been said.

Fallacious: Based on a mistaken belief.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/fallacious

badmemory

There is no way May will get rid of Boris. He is only where he is to provide a convenient "whipping boy" if things hit the fan.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

posh*spice wrote: »

Shame on you Rajoy. Rubber bullets wth.

Indeed.
The latest reports suggest at least 337 injured so far, with for example firemen who were protecting the public themselves being attacked by Spanish police.

Rather than post the actual footage as it may be distressing to some, I will only say that I have seen much violence which is truly shocking - and even more so when it is against the elderly.
Regardless of what happens about Catalonia and their referendum, Spain will surely find itself facing international condemnation for the brutality of these actions seen today.

Herzlos

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Such is the desperation to divert from reality that - from Marr's interview with May - one quote is commented-upon but not the immediate reply!
Well they wouldn't, would they; it doesn't fit their propagandist stance.

"Nice quote from Marr something along the lines of 'if the cabinet is like a nest of singing birds one of them is a giant Cuckoo and there are at least three vultures too'." it says above, completely ignoring the immediate response of:
"Boris is completely behind the Florence speech and the line that we have taken".

This is not to be taken as that I am some kind of avid Theresa May supporter; rather that deliberate misdirection has yet again been attempted and now pointed out.


Oh dear, wrong again; quite habitual it increasingly appears.
You misunderstand the definition of "fallacious".
It is in fact fallacious to interpret what has been said as anything other than what has been said.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/fallacious

It wasn't omitted since it was already paraphrased in the conversation.

Anyway, you should look at what they do rather than say. Do they look like they are in harmony? Even the fact she feels the need to state how much they agree indicates that it's a lie. If they were all on the same page it'd never come up.

posh*spice

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Indeed.
The latest reports suggest at least 337 injured so far, with for example firemen who were protecting the public themselves being attacked by Spanish police.

Rather than post the actual footage as it may be distressing to some, I will only say that I have seen much violence which is truly shocking - and even more so when it is against the elderly.
Regardless of what happens about Catalonia and their referendum, Spain will surely find itself facing international condemnation for the brutality of these actions seen today.

This is the sort of people the remainers are trying to lumber us with in their united states of europe.

When people in the future want to leave the united states of europe they will be shot with rubber bullets or worse....

....let's get out now ....while we can.

System

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Such is the desperation to divert from reality that - from Marr's interview with May - one quote is commented-upon but not the immediate reply!
Well they wouldn't, would they; it doesn't fit their propagandist stance.

Oh dear, wrong again; quite habitual it increasingly appears.
You misunderstand the definition of "fallacious".
It is in fact fallacious to interpret what has been said as anything other than what has been said

I understand it quite well seeing as I've explained in detail why your reasoning is fallacious.

The fact that someone says something doesn't make it a fact that what they say is true. You take everything at face value if you wish but I'll keep taking an interest in what people say AND mean if that's ok.

May isn't being honest and neither is Boris. It'll probably come as a massive shock when you read about what's been going off in their autobiographies in a few years time.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Herzlos wrote: »

It wasn't omitted since it was already paraphrased in the conversation. But not in the post.

Anyway, you should look at what they do rather than say. Do they look like they are in harmony? Even the fact she feels the need to state how much they agree indicates that it's a lie. If they were all on the same page it'd never come up.

Perhaps you might consider why you should be looking at what they do rather than what they say.
Because it is via the suggestions of the media that the need has arisen to state how much they agree; consider for example if media headlines had instead been along the lines of "Boris backs-up May's Florence speech" or "Boris re-affirms the official stance".
Would the need to confirm agreement arise following those?
No.
This is in my opinion no more than the furtherance of our media in their desire to portray all things Brexit-related in the most negative light possible, as they have done since even before the first vote was cast.
There is no distance between them here:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/30/boris-johnson-increases-pressure-on-may-with-fresh-brexit-intervention

Perhaps instead some pro-remainers are peeved and attempting distraction because TM reaffirmed on Marr that the UK will leave the EU in March 2019.

cogito

ilovehouses wrote: »

David Davis is pretty much on his hands and knees begging for trade talks to start. He's playing cards with his hand visible.

I don't think it's unpatriotic to point out the UK's position is in a mess when not only is Davis showing his cards the backseat negotiators back in Whitehall are giving him earache about how to play them.

It's all music to the ears of anyone who couldn't care less if we leave in a messy or orderly fashion.

What you said I said and what I actually said are two totally different things so please don't try to put words in my mouth.

And if you think that Davis is begging for a trade deal, you must think you know something that no one else does.