Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

Neither can the importance of the EU as a market.

The sheer numbers involved are in favour of the UK. Sometimes forget the politics, and consider the hard cash reality. Business won't be interested in the politics. As they'll be still going long after the politicians have left office.

posh*spice

October 15th Austrian election. Should be interesting : traditionally right wing country : population of 8 million - influx of migrants 700,000.

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The sheer numbers involved are in favour of the UK. Sometimes forget the politics, and consider the hard cash reality. Business won't be interested in the politics. As they'll be still going long after the politicians have left office.

Can you elaborate? My understanding is that the numbers favour the EU; we sell more to them, percentage wise, than they buy from us. We'll have a harder time replacing that shortfall than they will.

System

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The sheer numbers involved are in favour of the UK. Sometimes forget the politics, and consider the hard cash reality. Business won't be interested in the politics. As they'll be still going long after the politicians have left office.

The first sentence is debatable but I'm sure we agree it's in nobody's interest for a deal not be reached.

Problem is we can't forget the politics because the negotiations are politician led. How often have I heard it said the EU is a political project and that trumps all else? And only those without a cynical bone in their body would think the government are apolitical - being kind it could be suggested they have a multitude of views on their heartfelt views of what's best for us; being less kind it could be suggested the main event is a leadership battle and brexit the proxy.

System

posh*spice wrote: »

October 15th Austrian election. Should be interesting : traditionally right wing country : population of 8 million - influx of migrants 700,000.

It interesting how engaged you are with the politics of Europe despite paying scant attention for decades.

Without invoking the power of google could you name the Austrian PM and the party he leads?

cogito

ilovehouses wrote: »

Right now it's the UK that are leaving and we know..

- you are one of the people that suggested it was very important the government didn't tell us what they wanted out of brexit because that would 'show our hand'. Yet here we are with the government not far off grovelling so trade talks can start.

Did I? When?

gfplux

cogito wrote: »

Did I? When?

If not you, every other Brexiter on this thread.
"Not showing our hand" was the mantra to go along with the "cunning plan" to obscure the fact that Davis and the Government he represented was totally unprepared for the Brexit negotiations.
It is my opinion that the churn of staff in his department is down to despair at their leaders incompetence.

Herzlos

http://metro.co.uk/2017/09/29/one-in-three-leave-voters-describe-themselves-as-racist-6964318/

What do people make of this? It's a pretty small sample size but seems to show leave voters are twice as likely to identify as at least a bit racist.

Remainers lying about it? Racism more socially acceptable now? Racism playing some part in determining voting position?

gfplux

Whatever importance in trade the EU27 was to Britain or the importance of Britain to the EU27 at June 2016 after 15 months without a deal the dynamics will be changing.
I have often mentioned "damage by a thousand cuts" and the damage that uncertainty will do to Britain.
Every day in all 28 EU Country's decisions are being made that will limit the damage to business or family if there is a break with no trade deal (the hard Brexit so often talked about by Mrs May or "No deal is better than a bad deal")
As Britain + EU27 rush towards March 2019 those decisions will increase in number and significance. Any one who thinks that the longer this goes on is to the advantage to Britain is deluded. As each day goes by the importance of Britain to the EU27 slips away.
While the British side of the negotiating table engage in a fist fight between themselves progress will be slow.
The importance of a "free" trade deal between Britain and the EU27 is hugely important, to both sides, without a transition period which Britain has asked for but is yet to be granted a trade deal can not be negotiated in time.
Every slip, trip and intervention by people like Johnson and others does not enhance Britains cause. Brexiters need to complain about this rather than suggesting it doesn't matter or is part of that "cunning plan"

mayonnaise

Sapphire wrote: »

To my mind, he is one of the few who has the charisma, the positivity and the overall knowledge of history

If he's got such an overall knowledge of history, who does he need to be told by the ambassador to stop reciting colonial poems, deeply offensive to Buddhists...in a Burmese temple?

Mr Johnson seemingly began quoting the opening lines of Mandalay during a visit to the Shwedagon Pagoda in Yangon, the capital of Burma.

Andrew Patrick stops Mr Johnson mid-flow, and before he recited the line "Bloomin' idol made o' mud/ Wot they called the Great Gawd Budd" - a reference to Buddha.

Our Foreign Secretary. What a disgrace.

https://www.itv.com/news/2017-09-30/ambassador-stops-boris-johnson-quoting-colonial-poem-in-burmese-temple/