Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

Herzlos

ilovehouses wrote: »

I did answer. You can't expect 100% of people in a club to agree on 100% of things 100% of the time.

He'll, you can't expect 50% of club members to agree on anything half the time.
That disagreement is allowed kind of flies in the face of the eu bring some sort of dictatorship

Herzlos

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

It may push it further away if the EU don't accept the UK's "open border" proposal you mean?
Because it is the EU threatening unwanted change, not the UK.

The eu isn't threatening any change; beyond the obvious consequence of wanting to close borders.

Herzlos

mrginge wrote: »

Except for this.

Where's the contradiction? I think you're misunderstanding me.

Meeting foreign standards is,well, standard. We'll need to do that to sell to our biggest market so will likely just adhere to ej standards anyway.

Davis wants to go further and have any eu standard become a UK standard automatically.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Herzlos wrote: »

I ghink you might be. I don't know anyone except Conrad that describes people by class. In my adult life I've had class come up in person twice; both off the cuff comments about supposedly being middle class because we make good money and don't do much work.

Er, no.
What Conrad appears to be saying saying is that the class system still exists which is quite correct, and describing why he thinks so as opposed to Hamish's supposition that "they don't think about or identify with such outdated notions of a class system at all".

Consciously people may not always identify with a class system but subconsciously it is, as Conrad has described, much more apparent than many appear to realise.
Even simple things like holding a door/car door open or eating with your mouth shut whilst chewing give immediate clues as to a person's class, and examples such as those are most often read on a subconscious level.

You say: "In my adult life I've had class come up in person twice".
I find that extremely unlikely unless you have lead a very sheltered life because restrictions according to class are all around us. This is more apparent in large conurbations and cities.
From inability to get a table in the best restaurants & clubs to VIP check-ins, from allocation of a personal shopper at top stores to the school your children attend.
Perhaps then you just have not recognised when class has "come up".

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Filo25 wrote: »

We're the ones choosing to leave, there certainly wasn't a majority of the nationalist community voting to leave, I'm not sure they're just going to blame the EU if the border issues isn't resolved, especially given a few historical issues they may have with the UK government as a community....

Who chose to leave who is in this instance irrelevant.
We say that we want to keep the status quo; to keep the border as it is.
The EU say "No".
Therefore the issue is with the EU, not the UK.
The UK don't want to change it.
That much is obvious whether you are Irish or NI British.


"Ireland Says It Won't Be Pawn in Brexit Talks, Puts EU on Spot"

it called Britain’s plans to avoid border checks after Brexit a “step forward.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-16/u-k-rules-out-customs-immigration-checks-on-irish-border

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Herzlos wrote: »

The eu isn't threatening any change; beyond the obvious consequence of wanting to close borders.

You'd better tell the Irish that.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/eu-tax-plan-is-a-bigger-threat-to-ireland-than-brexit-1.3220094

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0916/905202-donohoe-eu-tax-plan/

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/ireland-s-days-of-hiding-behind-britain-in-europe-are-over-1.3218521

mrginge

Herzlos wrote: »

Where's the contradiction? I think you're misunderstanding me.

Meeting foreign standards is,well, standard. We'll need to do that to sell to our biggest market so will likely just adhere to ej standards anyway.

Davis wants to go further and have any eu standard become a UK standard automatically.

You clearly stated that the UK laws would have to be changed should the EU amend their own standards.

Either you believe this or you don't. Which one is it?

System

kabayiri wrote: »

Have you ever joined a club where less than 30% pay all the subs, and the others just take out year after year ?

In most clubs where there's a shared interest of some kind you'll always find they'll tend to work on an 80:20 basis. 20% of the people do 80% of the work - organising trips, training, meetings, competitions etc.

Yes, it can cause friction (it's amazing what people with shared interests find to fall out about) but the net output tends to exceed the total input.

People who are obsessed with getting out an equal and opposite to what they put in in terms of time and money are a bit mealy mouthed, selfish and fail to see the bigger picture. They usually leave in a strop because they can't put together a better argument than 'it's so unfair'.

They're not missed.

StevieJ

ilovehouses wrote: »

It's not that people are virtue signalling but that descriptors working class, well off working class, middle class, upper middle class, upper class, elite are ridiculous when the way to identify in which one we fit depends on

- the breed of our pet dog
- whether we are we 'lefty'
- do we carry the guardian, telegraph or independent
- do we wear a panama hat or flat cap
- we have to check whether we're more like people off one TV show or another
- whether we're part of the Burton Bradstock crowd (who?)
- do we like darts
- do we like elbow

What if someone wears a panama hat and owns a Staffordshire Bull? Is there a special committee that decides which, oh so important, class we belong?

I am sure I saw Prince Charles in a flat cap :-)

System

StevieJ wrote: »

I am sure I saw Prince Charles in a flat cap :-)

He was a single parent for a while and him and his kids live off benefits too.