Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

Zero_Gravitas

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Misquoted?
Oh, you want it in full?

So do you deny using that derogatory terminology, "Brexidiot"?
Difficult that, when it's there for all to see.
Or are you attempting hypocrisy by suggesting that "nonsense" won't "win the argument" but "Brexidiot" will?
:doh:

I'll accept criticism for derogatory terminology from you when you demonstrate to me that you are also pulling people up for using "remoaner" (clue: stator in post 124).

Or are terms only derogatory when they don't support your wold view? Now that's hypocrisy!

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

I'll accept criticism for derogatory terminology from you when you demonstrate to me that you are also pulling people up for using "remoaner" (clue: stator in post 124).

Or are terms only derogatory when they don't support your wold view? Now that's hypocrisy!

I disagree with both as it happens, but "idiot" is IMHO far worse than "moan".
For example I admit that sometimes I moan; how about you?
:whistle:

Backbiter

Interesting and alarming stuff about post-Brexit customs costs:
http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKCN1BL13N

Around 180,000 traders now operate only within the EU and face making customs declarations for the first time after Brexit. The government estimates an extra 200 million declarations a year will be made

. Those declarations cost 20 to 45 pounds each, the IfG said, putting the total additional cost at 4 billion to 9 billion pounds

Mmmm

buglawton

Pity the Reuters article is so short on detail. But let's just assume it means every cross border sale will need a declaration costing say £20 to £45 just for the clerical processing. That would make direct trading by small companies to consumers across an EU-to-non-EU border totally unviable wouldn't it? And yet exactly that kind of trading goes on every day.

Short on detail.
Mmmm.

Herzlos

I don't think customs declarations can cost as much as that though I can see it increasing with larger and more expensive orders. I've bought stuff from Japan where the customs form is a tick box and description, costing maybe £1. But then I've imported stuff from the US with pages of crap.

So I don't think customs will hurt foreign ebay sales, but it's likely going to suck for anyone inporting/exporting components

buglawton

In which case how does the parts chain work for e.g Hyundai/Kia to EU, or Jaguar/Landrover to U.S? Aren't we just hearing the usual remoaner FUD?

The Reuters article may be alarming, but it's so short on facts it cannot be described as interesting.

System

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

You can't beat harmony.

Still proving the world is round even though everyone else knows it is?

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

There's another type of club then where there is no common or shared interest?
:rotfl:

I've never known anyone who laughs so much at their own 'jokes'.

Only a fool would suggest the UK has no common or shared interest with the EU. The question is whether that shared interest is enough to warrant continued membership. That question hasn't been asked or answered - immigration trumped all.

I note Boris Johnson is repeating the £350m/ day claim. Even Farage said he regretted the claim within 8 hours of the referendum result. He's got no shame. May must be seething, not that she can do much about it otherwise he'd be toast.

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Besides the "wield" kind obviously.

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Conrad

I think the Boris intervention is all part of he game we're playing. It sends the message to the EU that if Mrs May doesn't get the right deal, we could end up with someone like Boris in number ten which the EU would probably not want.

I know some Tories say they are fuming, but I do think this is all part of a classic British assault tactic.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

*Warning*
Opinion piece ahead.


For those who maintain their determination of a "soft Brexit", here is an explanation of why that won't happen:

Leaving the single market and the customs union isn’t Hard Brexit – even if the name is deliberately coined to sound painful. It is simply Brexit. Staying inside the EU’s two main legal constructs, meanwhile, isn’t a harmonious Soft Brexit. It amounts, instead, to a deliberate and cynical failure to implement the 2016 referendum result.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/09/16/biggest-problem-soft-brexit-not-attainable/

A_Medium_Size_Jock

It looks like the EU get caught out being (ahem) too hopeful regarding the Paris climate accord:

The White House has rejected a claim from an EU official that the US has softened its stance on withdrawing from the Paris climate accord.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/16/white-house-rejects-u-turn-paris-climate-accord-eu-official/