Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

Herzlos

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

My word... you are so out if touch.

That's all some of them think about. So much so that identity politics and communism (a.k.a. Antifa) are seen amongst their peer group as righteous causes. When in reality they're both poisonous as those who leave the flock having had their epiphany will tell.

I ghink you might be. I don't know anyone except Conrad that describes people by class. In my adult life I've had class come up in person twice; both off the cuff comments about supposedly being middle class because we make good money and don't do much work.

gfplux

Tromking wrote: »

Ireland weaning itself off its over reliance on access to the UK`s internal market is unfinished business from the Easter Rising in my view. Don't fight for independence from another country and then expect there not to be further changes in the relationship as time passes.
They would argue of course that Brexit has pulled the rug from underneath them, but as a Sovereign nation they still have a choice on what is important to them, yet inexplicably they've abrogated the responsibility for that choice to Mr Barnier and his chums.
That's the EU for you.

I am not sure you know any more than I do about Ireland and Northern Ireland.
However When there are choices about "hard places and rocks" other choices become more possible.
From idle conversations with people who know more about this issue than I do the suggestion about unification is getting some oxygen.

gfplux

posh*spice wrote: »

With the deepest of respect - the RoI does not want unification with the North...

We have all (well some of us) have been very surprised at some of the things that have happened in politics during the last couple of years. I believe we should never say never.
As the political levers change hands, as this huge life changing thing called Brexit effects every aspect of life in Britain, never say never about Ireland.
If the Tory party can spend a billion pounds on buying 12 votes then it is clear that money can buy loyalty and and change the future.
As the old joke goes, "we know what you are darling, we are now just discussing the price"

System

After launching Rees-Mogg's leadership campaign the Telegraph now have a party political broadcast on behalf of the Boris Johnson party

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/15/boris-johnson-vision-bold-thriving-britain-enabled-brexit/

Looks like Europe hasn't finished making and breaking careers in the conservative party.

Filo25

gfplux wrote: »

We have all (well some of us) have been very surprised at some of the things that have happened in politics during the last couple of years. I believe we should never say never.
As the political levers change hands, as this huge life changing thing called Brexit effects every aspect of life in Britain, never say never about Ireland.
If the Tory party can spend a billion pounds on buying 12 votes then it is clear that money can buy loyalty and and change the future.
As the old joke goes, "we know what you are darling, we are now just discussing the price"

I'm originally from Northern Ireland and still keep in touch with a fair few people from there, I would say there isn't much chance of imminent unification of Ireland but the Brexit vote may bring it considerably closer if it isn't handled well with respect to how the border is handled.

kabayiri

ilovehouses wrote: »

28 sovereign nations in the EU don't agree on 100% of things 100% of the time - who knew?

Have you ever been in a club?

Have you ever joined a club where less than 30% pay all the subs, and the others just take out year after year ?

You'd be calling things out, suggesting they were taking the p.

The gross value of every job we provide to other EU citizens should count towards our contribution. That'd be a start.

Filo25

kabayiri wrote: »

Have you ever joined a club where less than 30% pay all the subs, and the others just take out year after year ?

You'd be calling things out, suggesting they were taking the p.

The gross value of every job we provide to other EU citizens should count towards our contribution. That'd be a start.

I have joined a club like that, its called the United Kingdom

Its hardly news that the tax and benefit system here generally takes from the wealthier and gives to the poorer.

Lonexit now!

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Some here might think the situation in the UK unique in Europe with popularity of MP's and party leaders, the state of major parties etc.
Not so.
Germany:
"Merkel must go!" -

Chancellor Angela Merkel may appear to be cruising to a victory in next week's elections, but her campaign rallies across Germany have been plagued by rowdy protesters who have been jeering, booing and even flinging tomatoes at her.

https://www.thelocal.at/20170913/austria-president-european-union-election

Austria:

In an impassioned pro-EU plea, Austria's president Alexander Van der Bellen urged voters on Tuesday to "carefully consider" their choice in October elections, which look set to return the far-right to power.

https://www.thelocal.at/20170913/austria-president-european-union-election

France:

Clashes as 220,000 march against Emmanuel Macron's labour reforms in France

http://news.sky.com/story/clashes-as-220000-march-against-emmanuel-macrons-labour-reforms-in-france-11032581

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Filo25 wrote: »

I'm originally from Northern Ireland and still keep in touch with a fair few people from there, I would say there isn't much chance of imminent unification of Ireland but the Brexit vote may bring it considerably closer if it isn't handled well with respect to how the border is handled.

It may push it further away if the EU don't accept the UK's "open border" proposal you mean?
Because it is the EU threatening unwanted change, not the UK.

Filo25

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

It may push it further away if the EU don't accept the UK's "open border" proposal you mean?
Because it is the EU threatening unwanted change, not the UK.

We're the ones choosing to leave, there certainly wasn't a majority of the nationalist community voting to leave, I'm not sure they're just going to blame the EU if the border issues isn't resolved, especially given a few historical issues they may have with the UK government as a community....