Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

TrickyTree83

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Most young people today don't think about or identify with such outdated notions of a class system at all.

My word... you are so out if touch.

That's all some of them think about. So much so that identity politics and communism (a.k.a. Antifa) are seen amongst their peer group as righteous causes. When in reality they're both poisonous as those who leave the flock having had their epiphany will tell.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Conrad wrote: »

If you have evidence class barriers are a thing of the past, post it here

I didn't say that.

I said most young people today don't think about or identify with such outdated notions of a class system at all.

There are obviously still some differentiations between different groups in society, but society has changed so fast your old establishment notions of a three tier system with working class, middle class, and upper class are completely outdated and feel irrelevant to most youngsters.

There are at least seven 'social classes' in modern Britain, and recent research has identified them as....

Elite - The wealthiest by far - their children usually go to top private schools and universities but interestingly many are now not from the traditional upper class inherited wealth families but are first or second generation from self-made 'new money' families.

Established middle class - This is the second most highly educated group but only just ahead of emerging service workers... They usually work in traditional educated professions, management, law, teaching, etc, and come from a traditional middle class background.

Technical middle class - A surprisingly well-off group that is highly computer savvy and heavily engaged with new technology and social media. They work in scientific or technology fields and come from a variety of class backgrounds, although many have degrees a surprising number are also self-taught in emerging technology.

New affluent workers - The median group for wealth, often but not always from a working class background that have gone on to supervisory or lower management positions in the workforce, or own small businesses or become well paid specialists in trades or professions such as welding or offshore work.

Traditional working class - The group with by far the oldest average age and with few young people identifying with it. They tend to keep themselves to themselves and don't engage nearly as much as other classes do with other cultures or developments such as social media.

Emergent service workers - A very young average age class, strongly liberal, well educated, cosmopolitan and usually city dwelling, that mix with a huge range of other people from all walks of life. Work in fields as diverse as Chefs and Baristas to Accountants and Yoga instructors. They already equal the rapidly declining numbers of working class people. Tend to have lower levels of wealth as they're the youngest but many work in fields that will lead to high levels of income in due course.

The Precariat - Poor, socially deprived, low education levels, low health outcomes, high benefits claimants, very low income. Typically the bottom earning 10% or 15% of society to varying degrees.

But the interesting thing about the majority of young people I know is they just don't think about class boundaries at all for the most part.

They see that today a much higher proportion of people from all sorts of different backgrounds end up with good educations and attend university or colleges, so are far more socially mobile with a bigger range of opportunities than was ever the case a few decades ago.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

28 sovereign nations in the EU don't agree on 100% of things 100% of the time - who knew?

Have you ever been in a club?

Now you avoid answering and persist in nit-picking?

I am waiting:

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

(#1139)
"Originally Posted by ilovehouses That's not the first time you've called me a liar."
Until we see proof of where I have used that word against you then, as they say, "if the cap fits".

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

My word... you are so out if touch.

That's all some of them think about. So much so that identity politics and communism (a.k.a. Antifa) are seen amongst their peer group as righteous causes. When in reality they're both poisonous as those who leave the flock having had their epiphany will tell.

Seriously - stop reading Breitbart.

It's completely skewing your perception of reality.

System

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

So, now that I have again proven you wrong beyond doubt are we again going to see more of what amounts to no more than bullying tactics?

A 5 year old would be embarrassed to apply such a low bar to their burden of proof. Thanks for spending half an hour putting together such a compelling case though - I'm flattered you care so much.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

A 5 year old would be embarrassed to apply such a low bar to their burden of proof. Thanks for spending half an hour putting together such a compelling case though - I'm flattered you care so much.

System

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Now you avoid answering and persist in nit-picking?

I did answer. You can't expect 100% of people in a club to agree on 100% of things 100% of the time.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

So much unity within the EU; why do some persist in their delusion that Brexit will somehow prove any different?
:rotfl:

Euro zone enlargement call sparks backlash in Germany

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eu-eurozone-enlargement/euro-zone-enlargement-call-sparks-backlash-in-germany-idUKKCN1BQ2IL?il=0

And as a result:

Juncker climbdown: EU 'clarifies' chief's remarks on eurozone after German media firestorm

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/854675/European-Union-EU-Juncker-clarification-German-media-euro-eurozone

System

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

So much unity within the EU; why do some persist in their delusion that Brexit will somehow prove any different?

Then again there are plenty who, whilst highlighting the apparent lack of unity of 27 sovereign nations, will, when it suits, say that what Germany wants goes. Hence the co-incidence that negotiations have been delayed until the day after German elections.

Herzlos

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

My word... you are so out if touch.

That's all some of them think about. So much so that identity politics and communism (a.k.a. Antifa) are seen amongst their peer group as righteous causes. When in reality they're both poisonous as those who leave the flock having had their epiphany will tell.

When did an anti-fascist movement become communist?