Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

System

Conrad wrote: »

My Aunt is the architype middle class Remaoner. Her 4 children are super middle class and all lefty like her. They talk the good talk in terms of militating on behalf of working class but they have absolutely no engagement with working class folk in thier social settings.

You're lost in the class system too. You know all about how to use it to insult people you basically don't like but are just as confused/ insecure about where you sit in it as setmefree.

Seriously, if you met someone and had to introduce yourself would you really start by talking about your class, how you voted in the referendum, which party you vote for in GEs and point out some of your best friends are working class?

Conrad

Joeskeppi wrote: »

I don't get this stuff to be honest.

It has nothing to do with money per see, it's about marked typical habits and preferences.

What types of dog do you more commonly see middle class people with? Do you see many Pitbulls


Now go to a working class estate. Do you notice the same proportion of sausage dogs and labs?


Turn on BBC 4, what are the presenters generally like, how do they speak, what dress codes to they tend to follow?
You imply you don't recognise class delineations, but I don't believe you.

Go to an Elbow concert. You will find it full of similar people of a middle class bent wearing brougues or retro sneakers, you won't see people wearing £159 bling Nikes (in general)

Go to a high profile Darts tournament, you will notice a different tyoe of audience IN GENERAL to that at tennis tournament,

Go to an all inclusive hotel in Benidorm.
What ON AVERAGE do you notice in terms of general observations? What types of restaurant themes do you tend to spot?

Now compare to let's say the Burton Bradstock crowd that wear Panama hats and carry Guardians and Telegraphs.

Herzlos

posh*spice wrote: »

No. The BoE did that. Interest rates at 0.25% - are you nuts?

Interest rates have been 0.25% for years now ad everything was alright. They didn't affect the exchange rate.

Conrad

TOWIE - typified by well-off working class people. I know the area well. Huge amounts of wealth.


MADE IN CHELSEA - totally different types of people, middle - upper class.


If you cant spot general core characteristic differences then I'd say you deny the whole premise and dynamic the 2 competing shows play on.


I bet if you saw a Benidorm coach party next to a Corsican coach party you would instantly decipher core characteristics between them. Humans are designed to spot patterns, so I simply don't believe anyone that says they don't recognise class (virtue signalling types love to pretend they are class blind, but look at what they do especially in terms of socialising and the mask soon slips)


Again it's not to do with money per see. I'm met masses of wealthy working class fol, plenty of poor middle class.

mrginge

Herzlos wrote: »

That doesn't contradict anything I said.

Except for this.

Say they drop the 1600W hoover requirement that upsets so many, to 1400W, and we mirror it. We've just had our law changed without any ability for us to have any say or veto in the matter. Go sovereignty!

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

There was only one source - the others just repeated it. Reuters with substantiation from that well know chap Mr A. Person Familiar.



Eats, shoots and leaves. I thought it was very much intended to discuss the effects of brexit on the economy and house prices. Keep on spamming.

Still?
Really?
Okay:

ilovehouses wrote: »

That's not the first time you've called me a liar.

(#1139)
Until we see proof of where I have used that word against you then, as they say, "if the cap fits".

Is more very recent proof needed?

ilovehouses wrote: »

May is having to intervene directly, there's a select committee investigating the non-progress of negotiations ..........

(#1104)
So in your world TM "has to" make her speech on Friday; well who knew? No-one apart from you it seems, since she has chosen to.
And very clearly the committee says it is investigating the progress, not the lack of as you said.
Yet you accuse me of spamming!
:rotfl:

More?

ilovehouses wrote: »

You delivered a long-winded opinion on Mrs. May's intervention. Following your incorrect statement as above and after you finally admitted to it being your opinion rather than fact, hence: You also posted an opinion piece from the Express covering a journos pointless speculation about what the speech might contain.

Of course that sort of speculation is OK because it involves speculation May is going to sock it to Europe. She won't so you say but we will see. - she's going to strike a conciliatory tone to try and mend some of the damage inflicted by the strutting rooster Davis*
I wonder come Friday if just this once you will admit you were wrong - if of course it turns out you are.
* In my opinion

So, now that I have again proven you wrong beyond doubt are we again going to see more of what amounts to no more than bullying tactics?
More derogatory comments and terminology?
Or maybe now at last the thread can return to some semblance of normality without the persistent bickering that we have seen so much of?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

More evidence of cohesion within the EU - not:

First signs of open scepticism appeared on Saturday over a European Union plan to raise the tax bill of digital multinationals, as some finance ministers from smaller EU states raised concerns about the economic impact.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-eu-ecofin/first-cracks-emerge-in-eu-plan-to-raise-online-giants-tax-bill-idUKKCN1BR06B?il=0

But don't worry!
They are united in their Brexit stance.
Yes, we keep seeing evidence otherwise there too.

System

It's not that people are virtue signalling but that descriptors working class, well off working class, middle class, upper middle class, upper class, elite are ridiculous when the way to identify in which one we fit depends on

- the breed of our pet dog
- whether we are we 'lefty'
- do we carry the guardian, telegraph or independent
- do we wear a panama hat or flat cap
- we have to check whether we're more like people off one TV show or another
- whether we're part of the Burton Bradstock crowd (who?)
- do we like darts
- do we like elbow

What if someone wears a panama hat and owns a Staffordshire Bull? Is there a special committee that decides which, oh so important, class we belong?

Herzlos

What class am I? State educated to bachelor of science, 40% tax payer, 2-bed semi and essentially no wealth.

System

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

More evidence of cohesion within the EU - not:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-eu-ecofin/first-cracks-emerge-in-eu-plan-to-raise-online-giants-tax-bill-idUKKCN1BR06B?il=0

But don't worry!
They are united in their Brexit stance.
Yes, we keep seeing evidence otherwise there too.

28 sovereign nations in the EU don't agree on 100% of things 100% of the time - who knew?

Have you ever been in a club?