Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

System

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

More delusions?
Or just more ignoring the facts?
It's easy enough to work out & I suspect you just don't like the statistics.


2016/7 net immigration: 246,000
2016 net population rise from births: 170,000*

2015/6 net immigration: 332,000
2015 net population rise from births: 174,000*

2014/5 net immigration: 313,000
2014 net population rise from births: 200,000*
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Therefore the total population increase over three years = 1,435,000

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2015 ONS population of Newcastle: 293,000

Over the past three years then, almost five cities the size of Newcastle would be needed to house the increase in population.


BTW, if I am Captain Mainwaring then you must be Private Pike I presume?

Thanks for the research but you missed the context of the question. It wasn't about the last three years but the next - FWIW the government are promising to limit net migration to the 'tens of thousands so its moot.

I know people like to blame FOM for the increase in population but its really not the case. It has been government policy to increase immigration spanning both Labour and Conservative administrations. It's as plain as day if you think about it

- of your 5 Newcastles in the last 3 years 2.5 of them are populated by peoples from outside the EU i.e. people who have to be approved by government.
- compared to other EU countries the UK places very few restrictions on FOM migrants in terms of residency requirements etc. That's a choice.

Also, I don't think using Newcastle as the comparison adds context - rather it's to add narrative - much like comparing nurses pay with CEO pay. i.e. trying to make it sound bigger than it is. People who do this wouldn't dream of adding context by saying it's 16% of London instead.

I don't think a reduction in immigration is a bad thing but I doubt Posh Spice's kids will become anymore employable as a result.

System

Conrad wrote: »

I've always argued we need to innovate rather than panic, that change breeds innovation.
Dyson is setting up his own Universities to train up the next generation of engineers. Far better than hysterically claiming life will end once immigration is subject to better management.

What sort of innovations are you working on that being in the EU has prevented you from implementing?

System

It looks like its official. Mrs May is going to intervene directly to try and get the negotiations moving.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/13/theresa-may-make-landmark-brexit-speech-florence-september-22/

Theresa May will fly to Florence next week to set out her vision of post-Brexit Britain in her most important speech about the EU since January.

Downing Street announced that the Prime Minister would speak in Italy on Friday, September 22 and had chosen the venue to show that Britain was “leaving the EU but not leaving Europe”.

Mrs May is expected to give fresh details about the future relationship she wants with the EU, but will not talk about how much money the UK is prepared to pay for the so-called “divorce bill”.

Davis must be a bit embarrassed that his ineffectiveness has been highlighted in this manner. If May was more secure in her position I wonder if she'd replace him?

Private_Church

Theophile wrote: »

Sigh.
It's just his vision, a blueprint. He'll be out of office in 2019 anyway.
And as per your article, there's already push-back.

And yes, we will regret leaving that.

**Shakes head and wonders why we bother****

So Juncker will soon be out of office and it will never go ahead?. I take it Verhofstadt will also soon be out of office and his opinion won't count? And feel free
To look for numerous interviews on YouTube to get it from the horses mouth . Who's next for your "chop"?, there are numerous EU elites who are still in office and promote an EU army. You know ,that army remainers claimed during the build up to the referendum that we were all scaremongering about and you remainers constantly bang on about Brexiteers telling pork pies....Remind me again who has the power to propose EU laws,Legislation etc?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Junckers annual union speech went down well, it seems ............. not.

Juncker had barely left the podium when Denmark’s prime minister, Lars Løkke Rasmussen, slapped down the idea of a super EU president. “Let’s not mix roles and competences,” he said.
Other institutional engineering is also likely to fail – even Juncker’s own political family, the centre-right European People’s party, does not support the idea of transnational MEPs.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/13/jean-claude-junckers-federalist-vision-for-the-eu-is-far-from-reality
I particularly enjoyed Mark Ruttes response:

“Juncker is a romantic. I am more of a when you have visions, go see a doctor kind of guy.”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/854024/jean-claude-juncker-eu-speech-state-of-the-union-mark-rutte

kabayiri

CKhalvashi wrote: »

How exactly is it the fault of the EU that the UK as a country didn't build enough housing while selling off a lot of the affordable housing it had with huge discounts?

You're looking at this in completely the wrong way and blaming the wrong people. It's the fault of consecutive British governments and in absolutely no way the fault of the EU.

The government have been disingenuous with the public on the housing issue for 20 years now. Remember Prescott's proclamation for a million new houses in 3 years. Shot to bits just 3 years later.

..and every year that followed we were told over and over that there are not enough houses, and it's the same old pattern of failure.

So where is the evidence that we can trust any government to fix this, because I can't see it.

The EU referendum was a chance to kick the government where it hurts, and people took it.

System

Private_Church wrote: »

There are numerous EU elites who are still in office and promote an EU army. You know ,that army remainers claimed during the build up to the referendum that we were all scaremongering about and you remainers constantly bang on about Brexiteers telling pork pies....Remind me again who has the power to propose EU laws,Legislation etc?

In the EU the UK could veto the formation of a European army (according to Fallon). Outside the EU we have to accept that we have reduced influence on the actions the EU take.

Given we voted to leave the EU you have to assume concerns about a European army were trumped by bigger issues.

Theophile

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Junckers annual union speech went down well, it seems ............. not.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/13/jean-claude-junckers-federalist-vision-for-the-eu-is-far-from-reality
I particularly enjoyed Mark Ruttes response:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/854024/jean-claude-juncker-eu-speech-state-of-the-union-mark-rutte

Yes, there is room for disagreement and debate in the democratic EU. Go figure.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

I posted earlier about the Swiss taking a stance against the EU regarding equivalence (see below); well Phillip Hammond has also spoken out about EU plans for extra-Eurozone financial changes:

Britain, the EU's biggest financial centre, acknowledged there are legitimate concerns among its European partners about the oversight and supervision of financial markets after the UK leaves the bloc in March 2019, the Chancellor said.
"We will address them by making forward-leaning proposals for greater transparency, cooperation, and agreed standards based on international norms," he said in a speech to the City.
"But, let me be clear, we will not accept protectionist agendas, disguised as arguments about financial stability."

http://news.sky.com/story/philip-hammond-rejects-protectionist-eu-agendas-after-brexit-11034240

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=73123529&postcount=1036

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Theophile wrote: »

Yes, there is room for disagreement and debate in the democratic EU. Go figure.

But not room for the EU to compromise in their undemocratic monopoly, it appears.
Go figure indeed.