Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

posh*spice

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

I like to think Blair was quiet because he knew he had already wrecked the country beyond recognition. Somehow I don't think he has such morals though.

The main aim of labour opening the immigration floodgates was to change the country, probably thought they would all vote labour too.

"The huge increases in migrants over the last decade were partly due to a politically motivated attempt by ministers to radically change the country and "rub the Right's nose in diversity", according to Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett.
He said Labour's relaxation of controls was a deliberate plan to "open up the UK to mass migration" but that ministers were nervous and reluctant to discuss such a move publicly for fear it would alienate its "core working class vote".
As a result, the public argument for immigration concentrated instead on the economic benefits and need for more migrants.
Critics said the revelations showed a "conspiracy" within Government to impose mass immigration for "cynical" political reasons. "
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

Gerrymandering of the absolute worst type.

TrickyTree83

Moby wrote: »

The majority of your sources are pretty obscure to be frank. If you scrape the barrel hard enough you'll always find something on the Internet to back up your position. My sources are quality mainstream views.

Haha, quality?

Where is their report on the Deloitte survey about the impact on the German car industry? It was in the Express.

You really are in an echo chamber.

System

Private_Church wrote: »

Freedom of movement across the EU has resulted in the whole continent being flooded with semi and fully automatic weapons mainly from Eastern Europe and its a shame the EU chose to ignore the blindingly obvious consequences of an Open border policy.

It's less freedom of movement; rather it's just movement. Everyone is more mobile and travel is easy and cheap.

Enterprise_1701C

ilovehouses wrote: »

It's less freedom of movement; rather it's just movement. Everyone is more mobile and travel is easy and cheap.

But that was enabled by the lack of border checks.

System

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

But that was enabled by the lack of border checks.

The whole world is more mobile - it's not a European phenomena.

Therefore new solutions are needed. We shouldn't think FOM renders the police powerless.

It's not as if every car travelling across a border used to be stripped down to find illegal weapons or drugs pre Schengen.

Tromking

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Yes, but it wouldn't be a weakening of FoM according to EU law, just the way the law itself is applied in the UK.

Other EU countries can (and do) remove EU citizens who don't play by the rules, where the UK has previously decided not to do so.

We could do more, just not as much as the racists and fantasists leading Conservatives now would like.

The kernel of the UK problem as I see it, is that unlike most of the EU27 our system of benefits and health care requires little or no previous personal contributions and is not insurance based. As we are precluded from treating EU citizens any differently by EU law, we could be unduly punitive toward EU citizens as you suggest and change our way of doing things just to stitch up 'Johnny Foreigner' but I don't see why we should. I quite like the way we do things.
Perhaps this is another example of the UK not being a good fit with mainland Europe.

setmefree2

Ken Clarke urges Remainers to GIVE UP hope of staying in EU

KEN Clarke dismissed Tony Blair's renewed call for overturning Brexit and branded any political attempt to do so was "hopeless".

The Tory Europhile branded the possibility of staying inside the EU "completely hopeless" and urged the thousands who attended yesterday's anti-Brexit march to give up.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/852307/Ken-Clarke-Tony-Blair-anti-Brexit-Remainers

http://news.sky.com/story/tony-blairs-bid-to-stop-brexit-with-tougher-immigration-rules-hopeless-11029040

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

Brexit loons:-

By Brexit loon do you mean Dennis Skinner? Dennis has spent his whole life looking out for the interests of working class people - while you support Tony Blair - who has spent his whole life making himself rich.

Really who is the loon (or hypocrite)?

If you're on the opposite side to working class people and on the side of the rich elites - you are on the wrong side.

Ask Dennis.

buglawton

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

And conversely there is the likes of this:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-niesr/uk-economy-picking-up-rate-hike-possible-in-early-2018-niesr-idUKKCN1BJ1GH?il=0



I have said before in these forums, with every report of a negative inclination comes one of a positive nature.
It's Newton's Third Law.
Hence predictions are available to suit all biases.

Look instead at facts and statistics.
So far, despite concerted efforts at disruption, the UK's economy is not doing too badly.
There has been no "crash"; no need for an "emergency budget"; and the sun still rises every morning.

Spot on except for an understanding of British weather!

setmefree2

Jeremy Corbyn dealt blow as Labour MPs defy whip over Brexit

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-dealt-blow-as-labour-mps-defy-whip-over-brexit-a3631736.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4872094/Labour-MPs-accuse-Corbyn-betraying-referendum-result.html

Potential Conservative rebels have signalled that they will support the Bill in principle at second reading - keeping their powder dry for later in the parliamentary process.
That should mean the government has a comfortable majority in the key vote tonight.

Justice Minister Dominic Raab accused Mr Corbyn of fraud over the weekend after Labour told Brexit supporters during the election that it would respect the result of the referendum.
He told Sky News: 'Come Monday evening I think the Labour Party will have their cards called because they toured up and down the country saying they were going to back Brexit.
'Now they're voting against this whole bill. That is a fraud, it is Jeremy Corbyn's biggest con trick on Labour voters and the country yet.' Up to 30 Labour MPs may rebel today by voting for the bill. Those who represent seats that voted for Brexit fear they will face a wave of anger from constituents.'