Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

A_Medium_Size_Jock

I posted last week of the EU being asked to review their case against Intel, and of the WTO overturning the EU's ruling against Boeing.
Well today news of Google appealing.
It is beginning to look like the EU must hunt elsewhere for their funding.

Tech giant Google has lodged an appeal against the 2.4bn euro fine (£2bn / $2.8bn) it was ordered to pay by the European Commission in June.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-41227989

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Also today, Airbnb has seen an 80% increase in visitors to the UK:

The company said the growth in inbound visitors to the United Kingdom using its platform was 81 percent between July 2016 and July 2017, taking visitor numbers to 5.9 million and generating 3.46 billion pounds for the economy.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-airbnb/airbnb-sees-80-percent-jump-in-visitors-to-britain-idUKKCN1BM227?il=0

Herzlos

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

It was made very clear by both the official Leave and Remain campaigns that leaving the EU meant leaving the single market, leaving the jurisdiction of the ECJ, and making our own laws on all national matters including immigration policy.

Do you have any reference for that, because even the Leave campaign were adamant that leaving the EU didn't mean leaving the single market.

mrginge

Herzlos wrote: »

Do you have any reference for that, because even the Leave campaign were adamant that leaving the EU didn't mean leaving the single market.

http://www.politico.eu/article/david-cameron-bbc-andrew-marr-ill-pull-uk-out-of-the-single-market-after-brexit-eu-referendum-vote-june-23-consequences-news/

buglawton

My problem is that since Brexit and the lower £ there's too much work coming in and I don't know how to politely refuse it.

adindas

Herzlos wrote: »

Do you have any reference for that, because even the Leave campaign were adamant that leaving the EU didn't mean leaving the single market.

Yes you could be outside the EU but stay in the single, like the Norwegian model. That is what some of the labor MPs are proposing. Even Corbyn was in favour of Norwegian model.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/corbyn-favours-norway-model-post-brexit-a7309861.html

But just be cautious as they might be betraying their voters again; the same thing when they promised the abolition of tuition fee on the election pledge. A few months Later when they won more seats, did you remember what Mr Corbyn was saying ????

Leaving the EU while remaining in the single market will simply mean
- Pay for access. Probably more than the amount of what the UK is currently paying as UK will loose the rebate. Keep in mind this is not Labout MPs money but your hard earning money they are taking from increasing tax.
- The second largest net contributors but powerless, no power, no voice
- Accept freedom of movement
- Accept the supremacy of ECJ.

Is it what you want ? It is only an extreme idiot will be accepting this term as even a monkey will be able to see that we will be worse than where we were.

UK has much more to offer in comparison to Norway. For examples sharing resources in Intelligent, security, defense, the second net contributors on the EU Budget, more EU people are living in the UK than the other way around. The things like this should be used as a bargaining tool to secure a better deal if the people and the parliament do not weaken the UK government bargaining position.

Let accept that brexit is happening and British people should be supporting any move that will strengthen the UK bargaining position.

BobQ

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

I like to think Blair was quiet because he knew he had already wrecked the country beyond recognition. Somehow I don't think he has such morals though.

The main aim of labour opening the immigration floodgates was to change the country, probably thought they would all vote labour too.

"The huge increases in migrants over the last decade were partly due to a politically motivated attempt by ministers to radically change the country and "rub the Right's nose in diversity", according to Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett.
He said Labour's relaxation of controls was a deliberate plan to "open up the UK to mass migration" but that ministers were nervous and reluctant to discuss such a move publicly for fear it would alienate its "core working class vote".
As a result, the public argument for immigration concentrated instead on the economic benefits and need for more migrants.
Critics said the revelations showed a "conspiracy" within Government to impose mass immigration for "cynical" political reasons. "
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

This is just playing politics and using Blair as someone to blame for all the problems of the nation.

If you have insufficient workers in an economy (particularly skilled workers that need time to train) you can only deal with it in three ways (1) import more labour (2) use available technology to increase productivity or (3) contract your economy and accept the lack of labour.

(1) is an easy and immediate solution, (2) takes time and (3) leads to lower living standards.

Blaming Blair is convenient but not a solution.

(1) was the same solution used by Tory administrations in the late 1950s and early 1960s.They too were accused of diversity by the likes of Enoch Powell.

gfplux

Conrad wrote: »

I was only talking with mates at the weekend of this sentiment you keep expressing. The most grounded of them said this sentiment is shared only by a fringe gaggle of obsessives.

I was in Europe recently, and got only one slightly disparaging comment. Most Europeans I meet don't even think about Brexit


Try emerging from your echo chamber - there's a whole world out here and it's pretty positive


I guess Europeans adore Poland, Hungary, Czech-Rep and others not allowing in ANY refugees?

Perfectly correct Conrad. The majority of people who live in the EU27 no longer concern themselves with Brexit.
Immediately after the referendum there was a lot of surprise, perhaps even shock at Britains decision but 14 months on it is yesterday's news.
That is not to say that people who will be directly effected are not doing something.
I imagine but don't know that, managers of businesses have contingency plans that are slowly being put in place, union representatives would be talking to management and Bankers are reviewing their loans to Company's that are exposed. However the vast majority are just getting on with their lives.
One small thing is that with the collapse of the pound Britain is a cheap place to visit and before the door closes in March 2019 there will be a lot of visitors spending their Euros.

gfplux

buglawton wrote: »

My problem is that since Brexit and the lower £ there's too much work coming in and I don't know how to politely refuse it.

That sounds wonderful. I would be very interested in what industry you are in. Without giving away confidential information could you tell us more.
Thank you.

ukcarper

gfplux wrote: »

Perfectly correct Conrad. The majority of people who live in the EU27 no longer concern themselves with Brexit.
Immediately after the referendum there was a lot of surprise, perhaps even shock at Britains decision but 14 months on it is yesterday's news.
That is not to say that people who will be directly effected are not doing something.
I imagine but don't know that, managers of businesses have contingency plans that are slowly being put in place, union representatives would be talking to management and Bankers are reviewing their loans to Company's that are exposed. However the vast majority are just getting on with their lives.
One small thing is that with the collapse of the pound Britain is a cheap place to visit and before the door closes in March 2019 there will be a lot of visitors spending their Euros.

What do you mean by when the door closes, are you saying EU citizens will not be able to visit UK.