Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

Carl31

ukcarper wrote: »

What do you mean by when the door closes, are you saying EU citizens will not be able to visit UK.

i think he means when the door closes, and we are shut off from the world, left to fend for ourselves on the scraps of food left in our bins in a post Brexit apocalyptic world, imagine Mad max, but much much worse, the UK just sand and pockets of feral people, eating each other

A_Medium_Size_Jock

For all the Brexit naysayers and doom mongers thinking that a Great Britain outside the EU will suffer some kind of "cash" and suffer diminishing influence globally, the following suggests otherwise:

The reality of British geopolitical capability means Britain is poised to thrive post-Brexit Is Britain in decline? Following the EU referendum, you could be forgiven for thinking so. Commentators seem gripped by the idea that the country is heading towards national decline.
This is simply not the case. New research from The Henry Jackson Society clearly demonstrates that the UK is well positioned to thrive post-Brexit.

http://henryjacksonsociety.org/2017/09/12/towards-global-britain/
From the report itself:

Given the evidence from this research shows that the UK remains – even with China rising rapidly - the world’s second most geopolitically capable country, and certainly the strongest European power, Britain is far from being “the sick man of Europe”. By global standards, the country is awash with capability: in fact, it is one of the most geographically lucky, most stable and integrated, wealthiest, most creative, innovative and admired nations in the world.

http://henryjacksonsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Towards-Global-Britain.pdf

A_Medium_Size_Jock

"The City is seeing jobs move" we are told.
"Everybody is relocating to ...." we are told.
Really?
In the future maybe, but not just yet it would appear according to this:

Confidence in the City remains resilient with the number of jobs up by nearly a third in August, compared to the same time last year.

http://www.cityam.com/271798/city-rebuffs-brexit-recruitment-worries-number-jobs-up

posh*spice

Moby wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/11/uk-sweet-brexit-deluded-eu-europe-single-economy So many of us are nostalgic for a past that has gone forever but our children will pay the price for our preoccupation with immigration as a reason for leaving the EU:- 'The first problem here is the term “single market”. Brexiteers and remainers alike seem to cling to a 19th-century notion of separate nations making their own products and trading them with other countries. The chief political project is then to lower or ideally abolish tariffs so that the so-called comparative advantages of free trade kick in. Last week chief EU negotiator Michel Barnier called this view “nostalgic”, and for good reason. The EU is rapidly evolving into something far more ambitious than just a free trade area: it is in the process of becoming one huge economic zone governed by a single set of rules and standards and overseen by a single European court of justice, striking trade deals with the rest of the world and deriving its logic and coherence from the four famous freedoms of goods, capital, services and labour. Products such as cars, computers or aeroplanes are now built from components made in factories and production units scattered across the EU, with employees moving seamlessly between them. For this reason “single economy” is a far better term than “single market”.

Yes you want to be in a United States of Europe. The majority in this country don't.

We won. You lost.

What's really annoying about your posts is that you seem to think your position is a virtuous one, whereas wanting to Leave the EU has no virtue. You are wrong. Ask Dennis Skinner and Frank Field.

mrginge

BobQ wrote: »

This is just playing politics and using Blair as someone to blame for all the problems of the nation.

If you have insufficient workers in an economy (particularly skilled workers that need time to train) you can only deal with it in three ways (1) import more labour (2) use available technology to increase productivity or (3) contract your economy and accept the lack of labour.

(1) is an easy and immediate solution, (2) takes time and (3) leads to lower living standards.

Blaming Blair is convenient but not a solution.

(1) was the same solution used by Tory administrations in the late 1950s and early 1960s.They too were accused of diversity by the likes of Enoch Powell.

(1) should only ever be a short term solution used to cover the lead time on (2). That's sensible long term strategic planning.

Blair and the EU's FoM policy turned (1) into the norm and therefore chucked (2) in the bin.

Theophile

gfplux wrote: »

Perfectly correct Conrad. The majority of people who live in the EU27 no longer concern themselves with Brexit.
Immediately after the referendum there was a lot of surprise, perhaps even shock at Britains decision but 14 months on it is yesterday's news.

It's also becoming obviously clear that Brexit will be a huge positive for the EU-27, free from the shackles of a reluctant, obstructionist UK.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Theophile wrote: »

It's also becoming obviously clear that Brexit will be a huge positive for the EU-27, free from the shackles of a reluctant, obstructionist UK.

Any evidence for that?

Research shows the UK has a positive future:
http://henryjacksonsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Towards-Global-Britain.pdf

Whilst the EU itself acknowledges difficult times ahead:
http://www.politico.eu/article/breaking-politico-obtains-white-paper-on-eu-future/

So again, any evidence to support your comment?

Theophile

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Any evidence for that?

My evidence can be found in several recent economic indices showing the EU powering ahead and the UK stuck in the slow lane.

Your link to a publication by the Henry Jackson Society (a right-wing think-thank), is just opinion.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Theophile wrote: »

My evidence can be found in several recent economic indices showing the EU powering ahead and the UK stuck in the slow lane.

That does not show "that Brexit will be a huge positive for the EU-27" though, does it?
Neither do your indices, since we remain part of the EU; we have not left yet.
So again, do you have anything confirming your opinion "that Brexit will be a huge positive for the EU-27" or is it just that; your own opinion?

Talking of the future as the Henry Jackson Society does can be no more than a forecast; an opinion.
Following research BTW, as Deloitte also did with their report.
Forecast; i.e. it hasn't happened yet.

Theophile

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

That does not show "that Brexit will be a huge positive for the EU-27" though, does it?
Neither do your indices, since we remain part of the EU; we have not left yet.
So again, do you have anything confirming your opinion "that Brexit will be a huge positive for the EU-27" or is it just that; your own opinion?

Talking of the future as the Henry Jackson Society does can be no more than a forecast; an opinion.
It hasn't happened yet.

Spot on. Your Henry Jackson piece was just opinion.

Recent economic indices however, showing the EU powering ahead and the UK stuck in the slow lane are....facts.

Glad we agree on this one.