Help asap I lied about sick leave

sangie595

Energize wrote: »

There's nothing morally wrong with lying about this, past health issues are not the employers business so they aren't entitled to a truthful answer anymore than they are if they ask about your sex life.

For someone to suggest the op is causing more stigma for mental health sufferers is just absurd, the company should not be asking questions so they can discriminate against mental health sufferers!

(A) These are not past health issues - the OP had currently been off sick for five months and it's still off sick.
(B) The company are not "asking questions so they can discriminate against mental health sufferers". They are asking about sickness absence so that they can discriminate in favor of people who turn up to work. Plenty of people with current and part mental health issues turn up to work regularly and do not have extensive sickness absence rates. The two things, high sickness absence and mental ill health, are not the same thing.
(C) The company are entitled to ask about sickness absence. They are entitled to a truthful answer. That is why they would be also entitled to dismiss you for lying!

Energize

The OP says they are off sick because they can't go back to their current job, that's different to not being able to turn up to a new job.

The employer can dismiss an employee within the first two years for any non discriminatory reason, so if the OP is off sick they can dismiss causing minimal impact to the employer, therefore the only reason to ask is to discriminate.

So I disagree, they are not morally entitled to a truthful answer and I fully support lying if you can get away with it, workers need to protect themselves from dodgy employers.

BorisThomson

Energize wrote: »

The OP says they are off sick because they can't go back to their current job, that's different to not being able to turn up to a new job.

The employer can dismiss an employee within the first two years for any non discriminatory reason, so if the OP is off sick they can dismiss causing minimal impact to the employer, therefore the only reason to ask is to discriminate.

So I disagree, they are not morally entitled to a truthful answer and I fully support lying if you can get away with it, workers need to protect themselves from dodgy employers.

OP has BPD, that is not going to disappear anytime soon. Their health is very much a current issue.

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What happened OP?

Chappers27

Woah. You're seriously overthinking it. Forget it and avoid the issue.

Energize

BorisThomson wrote: »

OP has BPD, that is not going to disappear anytime soon. Their health is very much a current issue.

I'm not saying the illness is going to go away, but that doesn't mean they will have sick leave at their new place of work. Mental health conditions by their very nature are impacted by the environment the person is in. Despite my mental health condition, I have not had a single day of sick leave at my current place of employment. Had I disclosed my medical condition I may not have been offered the job however!

sangie595

Energize wrote: »

I'm not saying the illness is going to go away, but that doesn't mean they will have sick leave at their new place of work. Mental health conditions by their very nature are impacted by the environment the person is in. Despite my mental health condition, I have not had a single day of sick leave at my current place of employment. Had I disclosed my medical condition I may not have been offered the job however!

Read it again. You are exactly what we are talking about. The potential employer hasn't asked about medical conditions at all. They asked about sickness leave. And the answer to that is not "mental health", it is "five months". It could have been five months of flu, five months of a broken leg - five months of anything.

Energize

sangie595 wrote: »

Read it again. You are exactly what we are talking about. The potential employer hasn't asked about medical conditions at all. They asked about sickness leave. And the answer to that is not "mental health", it is "five months". It could have been five months of flu, five months of a broken leg - five months of anything.

It is semantics sangie.

tykesi

Energize wrote: »

It is semantics sangie.

It really isn't. Your opinion seems to be clouded by an over-riding need to stick up for mental health sufferers, you can't see that the employer has done nothing wrong, and the OP has.

sangie595

tykesi wrote: »

It really isn't. Your opinion seems to be clouded by an over-riding need to stick up for mental health sufferers, you can't see that the employer has done nothing wrong, and the OP has.

Quite. It isn't semantics. It's the critical point. Employers don't really care what your medical condition is. They care about whether you can turn up to work reliably and do your job well. If you do that, you could be Hannibal Lector and they'll be reasonably ok about that as long as it doesn't adversely affect their business. The point is that people with medical conditions of any sort are not automatically unreliable as employees, and there is no real connection between an ongoing condition and sickness absence. Just because someone has a mental health disorder does not mean they will have time off work.