Flat doesn't come with cooker?

always_sunny

G_M wrote: »

see the Landlord & Tenant Act 1985 Ss 8 &10

But the definition of 'facilities' can be vague, it can be a place or an equipment.
The same goes for 'food'; it can be a roast or a sandwich.

I don't believe there's a firm requirements for LL to provide it, both Shelter and Government are careful not to explicitly say.

The Irish regulations are not vague at all:

The regulation also requires landlords to supply:
A four-ring hob with oven and grill
An extractor fan or cooker hood
A fridge and freezer or a fridge-freezer
A microwave
“Suitable” kitchen presses
Access to a washing machine in the building
A dryer or a yard for a clothesline
Adequate natural lighting

G_M

Hey I'm just quoting the law, with a reference, to correct the earlier previous erroneous posts which suggested the LL has no obligation at all! Those posts seemed to have been based on 'belief' rather than 'law'.

Yes, 'cooking facilities' is open to interpretation, but at present the LL is not providing any facility so is not complying with the Act. Hopefully by politely/diplomatically pointing this out, the LL will provide a cooker.

If he just provides a microwave, well, let's cross that bridge when we come to it!

Murphybear

DaftyDuck wrote: »

Perfect!

If you don't need a large oven then buy a halogen oven. They do most things (though not so good for cakes) and are very cheap. I do a lot of cooking and although I have a full size cooker hardly ever use the oven, apart from a Christmas cake:D

FBaby

Yes, 'cooking facilities' is open to interpretation, but at present the LL is not providing any facility so is not complying with the Act. Hopefully by politely/diplomatically pointing this out, the LL will provide a cooker.

But again, 'facilities' can just refer to a space to fit a cooker.

Dorian1958

To keep this simple and to avoid any legalese, OP seems to have 2 "free" options:

1. Ask the LL politey to provide an oven.

and in the event of being told No,

2. Get one off Freecycle.

Both options could be pursued in parallel.

comeandgo

G_M wrote: »

Hey I'm just quoting the law, with a reference, to correct the earlier previous erroneous posts which suggested the LL has no obligation at all! Those posts seemed to have been based on 'belief' rather than 'law'.

Yes, 'cooking facilities' is open to interpretation, but at present the LL is not providing any facility so is not complying with the Act. Hopefully by politely/diplomatically pointing this out, the LL will provide a cooker.

If he just provides a microwave, well, let's cross that bridge when we come to it!

I am not sure cooking facilities means what you think it means. Would council houses have to come with some sort of cooking device?

volare11512

The place we are currently renting did not contain any white goods, nor a cooker or even curtain poles to hang curtains. We took it on as we needed somewhere and were a bit naive to renting.It was initially a 12 month contract, but we have stayed 5+ years so have had good use out of everything. However, we were reluctant to buy a cooker at the time due to cost and how insecure renting is, so we have made do with a halogen oven + portable cooker stoves. It isn't a way to live imo.

Now we are moving a deal breaker in the place was a washing machine and a cooker. Luckily most places where we viewed came with this and we are able to sell our fridge + freezer. Our present LL gets a free washing machine (it is too expensive for us to move as we are relocating more than 400+ km).

Just more expensive to add to the T list. The law really needs to be clear about what should be provided.

Also council properties are different. If you get a place and there is no cooker you can safely buy one knowing you won't be kicked out in 6 months time. In private rental market tenancies are so insecure that a T could end up living in a place kitting it out with white goods then be given notice and rent another place where there are white goods.

Slinky

The Irish regulations are not vague at all:
Quote:
The regulation also requires landlords to supply:
A four-ring hob with oven and grill
An extractor fan or cooker hood
A fridge and freezer or a fridge-freezer
A microwave
“Suitable” kitchen presses
Access to a washing machine in the building
A dryer or a yard for a clothesline
Adequate natural lighting


What is a kitchen press, suitable or otherwise?

comeandgo

A press in my part of the world is a cupboard.

JavaShipped

I don't want to rustle too many jimmies by quoting legal action. I'm not even officially the Tennant yet! I withheld my application completion until I had some more info on the oven.

However, the English law may seem open to interpretation - but Irish law sets a kind of pseudo precedent that if not met, could seriously make the landlord seem cheap! Interesting thought!

I am writing to the letting agents - explaining that I love the flat but the upfront cost is a little steep for me to buy an oven and asking if the landlord would be open to providing one for the flat. I wonder if I should offer a compromise/ pot sweetener? For example - I'd pay in part for it, but leave it behind? Or Something similar? Thoughts?

I really do love this flat! And I really appreciate everyones help, you guys and gals make a small fry feel like someone is rooting for them!