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  • Land_Registry
    Land_Registry Posts: 6,148 Organisation Representative
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    edited 14 February 2020 at 1:30PM
    But this does not resolve the issue of this slither of land as it is not within the title plan.

    My solicitor has now said they think it is actually unregistered so how difficult would it be to get it registered to our property to satisfy their solicitor?
    If it's outside the title and unregistered but you claim it is within your ownership then that's where the statement of truth (stat dec) comes in
    Our PG 5 explains what is then required
    Official Company Representative
    I am the official company representative of Land Registry. MSE has given permission for me to post in response to queries about the company, so that I can help solve issues. You can see my name on the companies with permission to post list. I am not allowed to tout for business at all. If you believe I am please report it to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com This does NOT imply any form of approval of my company or its products by MSE"
  • POPPYOSCAR
    POPPYOSCAR Posts: 14,902 Forumite
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    But this does not resolve the issue of this slither of land as it is not within the title plan.

    My solicitor has now said they think it is actually unregistered so how difficult would it be to get it registered to our property to satisfy their solicitor?
    If it's outside the title and unregistered but you claim it is within your ownership then that's where the statement of truth (stat dec) comes in
    Our PG 5 explains what is then required
    The problem I have is their solicitor seems to think it is an error and has been drawn wrong and that it is within the Title plan. How they can tell is beyond me.
    i do not envy you your job in Land Registry dealing with all these issues!
    I think my solicitor is going to have a word with Land Registry to see if it is something that can be done easily and quickly.

    Thank you for all your help it is much appreciated.
  • But this does not resolve the issue of this slither of land as it is not within the title plan.

    My solicitor has now said they think it is actually unregistered so how difficult would it be to get it registered to our property to satisfy their solicitor?
    If it's outside the title and unregistered but you claim it is within your ownership then that's where the statement of truth (stat dec) comes in
    Our PG 5 explains what is then required
    The problem I have is their solicitor seems to think it is an error and has been drawn wrong and that it is within the Title plan. How they can tell is beyond me.
    i do not envy you your job in Land Registry dealing with all these issues!
    I think my solicitor is going to have a word with Land Registry to see if it is something that can be done easily and quickly.

    Thank you for all your help it is much appreciated.
    Have a read about general boundaries, there's no way a 10 inch gap could be discerned from a title plan.
    In reality anything around a metre, or even more, can be plotted within general boundaries.
    Has the property ever had a determined boundary? That could be a reason the solicitors seem so convinced.
    Alternatively, is there anything in a previous transfer deed which specifically excludes 'a strip of land 10 inches wide to the xxx side' or similar? Is it a ransom strip?
    There are lots of various reasons and your sols should be providing more detailed information on their perception of the issue.
    If you have the title number the official Land Reg poster will perhaps be able to give more info.

  • TN1984
    TN1984 Posts: 100 Forumite
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    Hi, I have some queries in relation to applying to cancel a unilateral charge against title deeds (specifically in respect of chancel repair liability).

    1) I understand the form needed is UN4? What is the application cost?
    2) We have reason to believe the charge is not valid and would submit evidence as such. However, if the beneficiary of the unilateral charge objects, do the land registry compare evidence and come to a decision? Is this process an additional charge?
    3) If the land registry do not adjudicate, then what happens next?
    4) If the UN4 is not challenged within the 14 day period, is that the end of the matter?
    5) If the UN4 is successful, how long will it take before the deeds are clear of the charge?
  • POPPYOSCAR
    POPPYOSCAR Posts: 14,902 Forumite
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    edited 15 February 2020 at 10:58AM
    But this does not resolve the issue of this slither of land as it is not within the title plan.

    My solicitor has now said they think it is actually unregistered so how difficult would it be to get it registered to our property to satisfy their solicitor?
    If it's outside the title and unregistered but you claim it is within your ownership then that's where the statement of truth (stat dec) comes in
    Our PG 5 explains what is then required
    The problem I have is their solicitor seems to think it is an error and has been drawn wrong and that it is within the Title plan. How they can tell is beyond me.
    i do not envy you your job in Land Registry dealing with all these issues!
    I think my solicitor is going to have a word with Land Registry to see if it is something that can be done easily and quickly.

    Thank you for all your help it is much appreciated.
    Have a read about general boundaries, there's no way a 10 inch gap could be discerned from a title plan.
    In reality anything around a metre, or even more, can be plotted within general boundaries.
    Has the property ever had a determined boundary? That could be a reason the solicitors seem so convinced.
    Alternatively, is there anything in a previous transfer deed which specifically excludes 'a strip of land 10 inches wide to the xxx side' or similar? Is it a ransom strip?
    There are lots of various reasons and your sols should be providing more detailed information on their perception of the issue.
    If you have the title number the official Land Reg poster will perhaps be able to give more info.

    To be honest I am fed up with both solicitors now as my solicitor just seems to be passing the queries over to me to deal with. 
    I have already myself downloaded from Land Registry the Title Plan of the property next door and the issue of a footpath/road going between the two properties which clearly shows any previous footpath/road(There is a house built there now)  to be within the boundary of next door. I cannot understand why one or other of the solicitors did not do this in the first place. 
    There is nothing in our Title Deeds about the strip at the back as this has come about from the land at the rear being developed after we bought this property and possibly not registered before?
    I have spoken with my solicitor who has said they are contacting Land Registry to discuss.

    My general feeling is this is all a huge waste of time and money and should just be left alone.
  • My solicitor is in the process of applying to have a lease removed from a small area of land which I own. I was asked to make a statutory declaration to the effect that it had been surrendered by reason of voluntary strike-off; this was completed and sent to the Land Registry on 13th February. Would it be possible to find out how long it will take to complete the transaction? The Title No. is HW51114.
    Many thanks in advance!

  • Land_Registry
    Land_Registry Posts: 6,148 Organisation Representative
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    TN1984 said:
    Hi, I have some queries in relation to applying to cancel a unilateral charge against title deeds (specifically in respect of chancel repair liability).

    1) I understand the form needed is UN4? What is the application cost?
    2) We have reason to believe the charge is not valid and would submit evidence as such. However, if the beneficiary of the unilateral charge objects, do the land registry compare evidence and come to a decision? Is this process an additional charge?
    3) If the land registry do not adjudicate, then what happens next?
    4) If the UN4 is not challenged within the 14 day period, is that the end of the matter?
    5) If the UN4 is successful, how long will it take before the deeds are clear of the charge?
    Generally speaking
    1) Yes and no fee
    2) If the beneficiary objects then we would consider their objection. There is no charge
    3)  Practice Guide
    4) and 5) The notice period is generally 15 days. If no objection is received then generally speaking it is removed a few days later
    Official Company Representative
    I am the official company representative of Land Registry. MSE has given permission for me to post in response to queries about the company, so that I can help solve issues. You can see my name on the companies with permission to post list. I am not allowed to tout for business at all. If you believe I am please report it to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com This does NOT imply any form of approval of my company or its products by MSE"
  • Land_Registry
    Land_Registry Posts: 6,148 Organisation Representative
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    Falafels said:
    My solicitor is in the process of applying to have a lease removed from a small area of land which I own. I was asked to make a statutory declaration to the effect that it had been surrendered by reason of voluntary strike-off; this was completed and sent to the Land Registry on 13th February. Would it be possible to find out how long it will take to complete the transaction? The Title No. is HW51114.
    Many thanks in advance!

    All I can confirm is that the stat dec was sent in on 13th Feb and that the application has been referred back to the caseworker for consideration. That should hopefully happen this week.
    If there are any further delays or issues then your conveyancer would be advised and they can also check online
    Official Company Representative
    I am the official company representative of Land Registry. MSE has given permission for me to post in response to queries about the company, so that I can help solve issues. You can see my name on the companies with permission to post list. I am not allowed to tout for business at all. If you believe I am please report it to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com This does NOT imply any form of approval of my company or its products by MSE"
  • My husband and I are separated and divorcing relatively amicably. I have signed over the house we lived in to him and received a sum of money in respect of my share - this was lowered as it took into account the fact that he would then sign over his share of a house I bought for my disabled daughter to live in (he provided 20% of capital)

    We have completed the first set of paperwork without a problem. However, the letter that confirmed I am now the Registered Proprietor also came with notification of a restriction. Having googled extensively I am still confused as to whether I have to do an RX3 or ask him to complete an RX4 and where exactly an ST5 comes into it all.

    I'd really appreciate knowing exactly which form I need to do next to remove the

    ""No disposition by a sole proprietor of the registered estate (except a trust corporation) under which capital money arises is to be registered unless authorised by an order of the court."

    Many thanks

  • Land_Registry
    Land_Registry Posts: 6,148 Organisation Representative
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Name Dropper
    My husband and I are separated and divorcing relatively amicably. I have signed over the house we lived in to him and received a sum of money in respect of my share - this was lowered as it took into account the fact that he would then sign over his share of a house I bought for my disabled daughter to live in (he provided 20% of capital)

    We have completed the first set of paperwork without a problem. However, the letter that confirmed I am now the Registered Proprietor also came with notification of a restriction. Having googled extensively I am still confused as to whether I have to do an RX3 or ask him to complete an RX4 and where exactly an ST5 comes into it all.

    I'd really appreciate knowing exactly which form I need to do next to remove the

    ""No disposition by a sole proprietor of the registered estate (except a trust corporation) under which capital money arises is to be registered unless authorised by an order of the court."

    Many thanks

    You'll need forms RX3 and ST5 to apply for and cancel the (form A) restriction
    Our online guidance explains what should be included in the ST5 
    Official Company Representative
    I am the official company representative of Land Registry. MSE has given permission for me to post in response to queries about the company, so that I can help solve issues. You can see my name on the companies with permission to post list. I am not allowed to tout for business at all. If you believe I am please report it to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com This does NOT imply any form of approval of my company or its products by MSE"
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