16 Parking Charge Notices Received

Coupon-mad

A good first step suggested by pappa golf! The keeper has to send that email to the DVLA, not you.

Forget ''negotiating a fee'' do not try - it is pointless. This will be resolved in small claims if they try. Debt collector letters are nothing. You son is not necessarily going to pay a penny - you have already pointed out that 2 PCNs were issued incorrectly, and we know that all the others can be defended because we do this all the time against more litigious PPCs.

The PCN came in my sons name, all sixteen came through the post on 25th June with the date of events recorded on the letters being from January onwards.

So, do you mean your heard NOTHING by post until 25th June?

What were these letters that arrived dated 25th June, what were they headed up, 'notice to keeper?'

Dpowell

Thank you so much!

I did think that they must have passed the info on so therefore broke the DPA rules.

Just looking at the letters, 12 are for an overstay (which 2 have times where the permit would have covered him) the other four are incorrect use of bay which must mean he had parked over two spots!

I will get the letter sent off today, do you know how long it usually takes for them to respond.

I appreciate your advice. I do not drive so never had to deal with anything like this before.

pappa_golf

well the parking co have 6 yrs to start action , dvla might have replied by then , DO NOT listen to friends who say go online to DVLA and fill a form in , do it the way I have suggested , as well as the late date for applying , there is also the matter of getting notice to keepers to you within 56 days DVLA data may well show this was not possible .

they can only rely on POFA2012 (the law) chasing the driver if they have complied with the above , by ringing/writing to them , you may have killed this off ,

Dpowell

Hi Yes that's correct.

We had nothing through the post at all until 25th June despite the fact the first was issued in January with many more following between then and March.

The letter which came through in June was headed 'Parking Notice Charge' with then a section saying 'important notice to registered keeper'

Coupon-mad

You need to do as advised by pappa golf first, email to the DVLA in son's name. Like this:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/71879174#Comment_71879174

Please don't send a letter off to the DVLA, not to UKCPM yet.

12 are for an overstay (which 2 have times where the permit would have covered him)

and where is the proof of overstay?

the other four are incorrect use of bay which must mean he had parked over two spots!

must it? Where is the proof? Stop believing a nasty bunch of thug ex-clampers over your son!

Dpowell

Hi

Just to clarify that the first time I contacted them after receiving the Parking charge notice through the post which means they would have already contacted DVLA. I have not given them any info they did not already have at the time of writing.

Thanks

Dpowell

I have emailed the letter to the subject access request email address as stated in the other thread. from my sons email.

Thanks

Coupon-mad

Dpowell wrote: »

Hi

Just to clarify that the first time I contacted them after receiving the Parking charge notice through the post which means they would have already contacted DVLA. I have not given them any info they did not already have at the time of writing.

Thanks

Good, so come back and tell us what the DVLA say.

The PPC needs to have obtained data for every charge.

We had nothing through the post at all until 25th June despite the fact the first was issued in January with many more following between then and March.

So when you say 'following' you don't mean anything came by post at all (till late June), you mean windscreen PCNs every time, with no letters to keeper following each one at all?

Dpowell

That's correct. I cannot say he got windscreen notices everytime as he never did tell me when he got them. What I can say with certainty (as I work from home and get the post every day and he lives away at uni) is that the very first time we received ANY letter through the post was when 16 letters dropped through the post as the 'notice to registered keeper'. All sixteen letters had a 'date issued' of 23rd June 17 and a 'date of event' which is the dates of each alleged incident

Coupon-mad

Just a thought - as the NTKs only arrived last month - while you are waiting for the DVLA, submit an URGENT follow-up appeal in his name for all 16 (online, or by email tonight, if F1rst allow appeals that way). Avoid letters in the post.

You say your son appealed? Son should write and say this but NOT say who was driving (please say he didn't):



I wish to know why you have ignored my appeal, sent 4 weeks ago about ALL the NTKs you had suddenly bombarded us with. I wrote to you immediately, in response to the ludicrous 16 NTK letters, to appeal and ask why we had only received the first notifications through the post at the end of June. I had no response but understand you should have either cancelled the PCNs or sent me a rejection letter for each one, with a POPLA code for each.

Kindly explain why you did not, and why you have waited up to 5 months to send a NTK, and why some PCNs appear to have been issued before 8am when the driver was fully permitted to park. You do not appear to understand the permit scheme, the timings of restrictions, nor your own Code of Practice and rules about replying to appeals within 35 days with a POPLA code.

You have also sent me scarce or no evidence to justify the charges, so if you reject my earlier appeal about any of them, I require a copy of all photos taken including proof of the signage terms adjacent to the car, and what the terms purport to say.

The driver will not be identified and I am the registered keeper, as you know. I object to F1rst processing my data and unreasonably sharing it with a rogue third party debt firm with undue haste, given your astonishing five month delay in writing to me. I have made enquiries of the DVLA to establish when, and how many times, F1rst Parking obtained my data as keeper of the vehicle.

The BPA will receive a complaint about F1rst, should you not provide the outstanding 16 POPLA codes (or cancel some/all of the charges) and reply properly about each one within the next seven days. I will also copy in David Dunford at the DVLA and will report F1rst to Trading Standards for the unfair business practice of 'sitting on' charges, gathering them and letting them escalate - unbeknown to me as the keeper - then sending NTKS very late, then ignoring my appeal to ALL of them and allowing an unregulated 'debt collector' to send harassing demands.

I expect to hear from you within seven days and I will escalate the complaint to my MP if I am in any way dissatisfied with your response and/or if you refuse to call your debt collectors off, given your failure to properly deal with my letter of appeal to the charges.



By the way - they CANNOT have come through the post (arrived at your home) on 25th June. That was a Sunday.

What date are they dated?

And did your son POST the appeal letter, did he get proof of posting, and did he avoid saying 'I parked' or 'my permit'?